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Jerry Reeder Posted on Apr 11, 2018
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When starting to sew, the thread goes down into the bobbin area and then gets tangled around the bobbin and breaks. Just ends with a knot being sewed

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Be sure you install a brand new needle.

Make sure the thread is fully seated in the tension disk: 1) remove the top thread from the machine, 2) ALWAYS RAISE the presser foot and rethread from the beginning.

If the machine continues to misbehave, you should probably take it for service.

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Feb 12, 2008

SOURCE: Timing

Question: How does one find the tension discs??? I have a White 1740 with a top drop in bobbin and I went thru the same problems as night_wolf above, then, ultimately, the top thread will now not pick-up the bobbin thread through the fabric. It picks up the bobbin thread without fabric in play, but once fabric is added (for free motion quilting) it won't pick it up. This is after using the machine for the last 10 days to piece and quilt without a problem until this morning.

I'm at a loss.
Tks, Candace

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Mar 18, 2009

SOURCE: Upper thread knots up with bobbin thread when sewing a stich

Thread test
Test your thread quality to start, thread your machine and LIFT the presser foot (this opens the tension disks). Pull your top thread straight back. If you feel no tension no mater how much thread you pull, your thread is good. If that your machine passes that test, then let me know, we can go to step 2. If not, try different spool of thread, same test until you get a smooth pull (tip: always check your thread this way when you thread your machine)
Step 2:
Pull on your threaded bobbin thread while it’s in the machine. Does it pull smooth and even? If so, go to step 3. If not, try a new bobbin (bobbins get bent or distorted if wound too tight).
Clean thoroughly in the hook and bobbin case area and oil 1-2 drop is all.
Thread knotting on the bobbin can be a lot of things but here's some guidance:
Tension:
If the thread is loose on the bottom of the fabric, it's actually the top thread is too loose. Think of 2 little elves playing tug of war in your machine, one on toip and one underneath. If you have loops on bottom, the top needs to pull harder (tighten top tension)
Jamming bobbin case:
If it is damaged from turning out of place once, it could have rough spots on it that makes the thread hang on it, and keeps making it turn over and over. Use a finger nail board (fine sanding) and smoothall rough spots. Then reset the bobbin case taking care to put the notch in the bobbin case in alignment with the proper spot in the machine (basically 5 o’clock) when looking at the round area where the bobbin case goes.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Mar 31, 2009

SOURCE: thread knotting around bobbin case

hello, I had the exact same problem and could not find the solution until i took my machine to my sewing sensei and i solved my tedious problem. It was actually not a tension problem at all but a threading problem. Make sure you have threaded your bobbin correctly and that when you pull on the bobbin thread that the bobbin turns the right way. (mine must spin anti clockwise to work)  Make sure that when you pull up the bobbin thread using the needle that it is not over the feed dogs connective bar but under it. A big problem when the thread gets caught around the bobbin case wheel is that the thread is looped around the feed dogs once and that causes the thread to get caught around the bobbin wheel. In conclusion, thread the bobbin correctly and read over your instruction book before spending the money to get it fixe in s shop.

Debbi's Sewing Machine Repair

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  • Posted on Oct 05, 2012

SOURCE: lower bobbin thread gets tangled

try changing the needle --make sure the needle is the right one
for the fabric being sewed
try a different thread
make sure the bobbin is not over filled
make sure the bobbin is turned the right way in the bobbin case
make sure the thread has not come off the thread take up lever

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The bobbin thread knots up and the needle thread breaks

Incorrect tension for material. Old knotted thread. Bobbin thread and needle thread must match. Thread and needle size suitable for the material being sewn.
Feed dogs underneath need cleaning. Thread tangled underneath feed plate. Needle too old or bent, or blunt.. Hope this helps
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The thread gets tangled in the bobbin area when needle goes down

This is common... and typically caused by operator error. First take the thread spool completely off the machine... and replace it then rethread making sure that it's done properly and with the pressure foot in the UP position

Second... make sure that when you are starting a seam.... grasp the thread ends until you are at least 2 inches into the seam.

Third if you are successful you are done.... if you still have loops and tangles below, adjust your top thread tension (little bits at a time) sew a little, then adjust again a little.

4th... it's unlikely... but it does happen. Every once in a while.. especially after a needle break... your bobbin can get a nick or burr... as can the hook. Inspect carefully with a strong magnifying glass. If you find a burr try some emery board or fine sand paper. While you are at it check your needle.. it may need replacing too.

Good luck!
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Handwheel is locked down

Several things to check. Did the needle break and jam in the bottom? Is the needle bent or did it jam in the bobbin area? I had a 'knot' of thread build up on the bottom and it hooked itself into the metal clip on the bobbin so that the needle couldn't raise. If thread jams in the bottom cut the threads until you can free the hoop and material. Check the bobbin for pieces of thread and fuzz. Check to see if the bobbin case or the throat plate is scratched or bent. If you are stitching Free Standing Lace on this machine or a piece with over 20,000 stitches I recommend starting with a new full bobbin and a new needle. As you get toward the bottom of the bobbin, thread seems to have a high likelihood of tangling or looping and will cause a jam which means the handwheel locks.
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Lower bobbin thread gets tangled

try changing the needle --make sure the needle is the right one
for the fabric being sewed
try a different thread
make sure the bobbin is not over filled
make sure the bobbin is turned the right way in the bobbin case
make sure the thread has not come off the thread take up lever
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When i start to sew on my Janome sewing machine model Sewist 525S it does a couple of stitches on any stitch type then bangs then sews then bangs then stops. I look to see the problem and the bobbin and...

There has to be a problem in your threading or your needle. You may have the needle inserted backwards, flat side has to face rear or the needle is bent. Totally unthread your machine and make sure that there are no tangles and that it feeding the right way. Watch how they show your for threading and winding the bobbin, plus threading the bobbin. Good luck, but I truly think it is in your threading.
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Bobbin Thread is "birdnesting"

Get out the manual and refer to the maintenance section for cleaning the machine.

Especially the bobbin area. You want to make sure the area around the bobbin case is free of lint and thread.

Use a new bobbin and re-thread the machine, with the presser foot UP.

Install a new needle, again according to the directions in the manual. Installed incorrectly can lead to mis-stitching.

If the problem persits, the timing may need adjusting.

This should be done by the sewing machine tech for Kenmore.

Sewusa.com has a guide for this in the repair section, but you could end up with more problems.





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Brother 8500D sewing/emb machine - upper thread stops feeding

If the thread is hanging up at the spool - this could be the way it was manufactured, a nick in the spool end or the thread is unwinding too fast, puddling and wrapping around the spool pin.

Keep the bobbin case and surrounding area clean and free of thread tangles and snips. Thread tangles in this area can cause the machine to stop.

When the presser foot is down on any sewing machine, the tension closes and you cannot manually pull the thread through.

Sulky and C & C black tends to fray more than other brands of thread.

If the problem continues, the machine will need to be serviced by a professional.
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Brother embroidery machine broken

make sure the bobbin thread is wound and installed correctly
remove tangled thread and clean lint out from under feed plate
clean and remove shuttle to clean out area with lint brush
inspect bobbin for burs and scratches...make sure when reinstalling shuttle and bobbin that it rotates freely
hope this helps
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I need to know how to thread a bobbin?

TRY THIS, itma not be your model, but should help Title:
How do I wind the bobbin? windingbobbin_02.jpg
ac093.jpg Pre-tension disk ac094.jpg Bobbin winder shaft ac095.jpg Bobbin

1. Pull up the spool pin as far as possible, and then put a spool of thread on this pin. windingbobbin_a0991.jpg
2. Pass the thread around the pre-tension disk. Make sure that the thread passes under the pre- tension disk.
windingbobbin_a0992.jpg ac098.jpg Pre-tension disk c_b4.jpg Pulling it in as far as possible

Caution If the spool of thread is not in the right place, the thread may tangle on the spool pin.

3. Pass the end of the thread through the hole on the bobbin from the inside of the bobbin. windingbobbin_a0993.jpg
4. Put the bobbin onto the bobbin winder shaft and slide the bobbin winder shaft to the right. windingbobbin_a0994.jpg
5. Turn the bobbin clockwise, by hand, until the spring on the shaft slides into the groove of the bobbin. windingbobbin_a0995.jpg ac099.jpg Spring on the shaft ac0991.jpg Groove of the bobbin

6. Turn on the sewing machine. windingbobbin_a0996.jpg
7. While holding the end of the thread, gently press the foot controller or press start/ stop button (for models equipped with the start/stop button) to wind the thread around the bobbin a few times. Then stop the machine. windingbobbin_a0997.jpg
Note
  • If the sewing machine is to be operated using the foot controller, connect the foot controller before turning on the machine.
  • When the foot controller is plugged in, the start/stop button cannot be used to start sewing (only for models equipped with the start/stop button).

8. Trim the excess thread above the bobbin. windingbobbin_a0998.jpg
Caution Make sure you follow the instructions carefully.
If you do not cut the thread completely, and the bobbin is wound, when the thread runs low it may tangle around the bobbin and cause the needle to break.

9. Slide the sewing speed controller to the right (to set the speed to fast).
(For models equipped with the sewing speed controller.) windingbobbin_a0999.jpg ac0992.jpg Sewing speed controller
10. Press the foot controller or press start/stop button (for models equipped with the start/stop button) to start. windingbobbin_a18.jpg
11. When the bobbin seems full and begins spinning slowly, take your foot off the foot controller or press start/stop button (for models equipped with the start/stop button). windingbobbin_a19.jpg
12. Cut the thread, slide the bobbin winder shaft to the left and remove the bobbin. windingbobbin_a191.jpg
13. Slide the sewing speed controller back to its original position (for models equipped with the sewing speed controller). windingbobbin_a192.jpg


Caution Not winding the bobbin properly may cause the thread tension to loosen, and may break the needle.
woundbobbin3.jpg ac0993.jpg Wound evenly ac0994.jpg Wound poorly


Note
  • When the sewing machine is started or the handwheel is turned after winding the thread around the bobbin, the machine will make a clicking sound; this is not a malfunction.
  • The needle bar does not move when you slide the bobbin winding shaft to the right.
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Bernina Aurora 440 knotting below my fabric and into bobbin area.

Are you sure you have the bobbin the right way round in the holder....when you look at the bobbin and tug the thread, the bobbin should move clockwise.
Pull out the foot pedal and use bsr2 with the start/stop button.
Bring bobbin thread to top of work before starting to sew. This may help knotting problem
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