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Make sure you are using flux and that the copper is cleaned to a bright new apperance. Also make sure that you are using at least a 5% silver flow solder.

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melch777, the HP Pavilion dv9000 series of Notebook PC's?

There is a problem with the graphics chipset cooling, for the
dv2000, dv6000, dv9000 series of Notebook PC's, and a host of other HP laptops.

LED lights light up, (Power On LED, and Harddrive activity LED ), fan/s may spin, and the harddrive may sound to be active, but no display on laptop's LCD screen.

[ Or to an external VGA monitor ]

We'll start with the Cooling System.

The cooling system consists of a Heatsink, Cooling Tube, and Fan Assembly.

A) The Heatsink is essentially a thin small piece of metal, with Tall, Thin fins protruding from it.

The thin small piece of metal absorbs heat from whatever object it is placed against, and the tall, thin fins radiate the heat away.

The Heatsink is mounted to one end of the Cooling Tube.

B) The Cooling Tube is a slightly flattened copper tube, sealed on both ends, and filled with Nitrogen.

At one end are two small metal plates. At the other end the Cooling Tube is connected to the Heatsink.

One small metal plate sits on top of the Processor.
The other small metal plate sits on top of the graphics chipset.

[ A Processor and the graphics chipset, are the two hardware components that give off the most heat ]

C) Fan Assembly:
The Fan Assembly consists of the Fan, and surrounding cage. (Shroud)

Heat is absorbed from the Processor, by the small metal plate sitting on it. Same for the graphics chipset.

Heats is then absorbed by the Cooling Tube. The Cooling Tube transfers the heat along it up to the Heatsink.
The Heatsink absorbs the heat, then radiates it away through the tall, thin fins.

Air flow from the Fan Assembly, helps carry heat away from the fins of the Heatsink.

The surface area of the small metal plate, sitting on top of the graphics chipset, is too small.
This allows the graphics chipset to overheat.

Constant overheating, leads to the solder joints of the graphics chipset's mounting, to partially melt, then solidify.

This causes a 'cold solder joint', or solder joints, and poor contact of the graphics chipset to the motherboard.

Chip and Chipset are slang terms for I.C.
Integrated Circuit,

The chipset used for graphics is the graphics chipset, or G.P.U.,

The mounting for the graphics chipset is a BGA surface mount,
Ball Grid Array surface mount,

To explain the BGA surface mount;

Compare to an older Intel Pentium 4 processor, and it's matching Socket 478 processor socket.

The Processor has 478 contact pins, sticking down on it's bottom side.
The Socket 478 processor socket has 478 matching socket holes.

With a BGA surface mount there are no contact pins, nor socket holes.
In place of the contact pins there are Solder Balls.
In place of the socket holes there are Copper Pads.

{The Copper Pads are gold plated. Better contact surface }

The graphics chipset is set into place on the motherboard, with the Solder Balls lining up on the matching Copper Pads.
Heat is then applied at a specific temperature, and length of time.

The solder balls melt, which solders the graphics chipset to the copper pads. (Which in turn of course, solders the graphics chipset to the motherboard)

Constant overheating leads to the solder joints that are made, remelting partially, then solidifying again.
This leads to a cold solder joint, or joints.
Poor contact of graphics chipset to motherboard.

The repair has been to add surface area with copper sheeting, for the graphics chipset. This added surface area then acts as a Heatsink.
Helps to keep the graphics chipset temperatures lower.
'Cures' the problem.

Different methods of re-soldering the graphics chipset back to the motherboard, have been used however.

If a BGA Rework Machine isn't used, the repair is sketchy.

Might last 2 weeks, 6 months, maybe a year, if other methods are used.

The following is for reference only, and not advertising for the poster, or website.

(I don't agree with the method used in the video for resoldering.
The poster of the video is redeemed however, in my eyes, if you read the comment immediately under the video; { Click on - Show more }

There a BGA Rework Machine is mentioned as a proper method to use)

Nvidia litigation page. Time limit long over with,
(Nvidia had nothing to do with the problem. It is the poor cooling design for the graphics chipset. Not the graphics chipset from Nvidia ),

For additional questions post in a Comment.


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There was a recall on many of the Pavilion dv9000 series, of Notebook PC's. Ended April of 2009 officially first time, with an 'Enhanced Warranty' to January of 2010, being brought out.

" First Service Enhancement:
Laptop Models: HP Pavilion dv2000/dv6000/dv9000 and Compaq Presario v3000/v6000 Series Notebook PCs

The following symptoms apply to Pavilion dv2000 and Presario v3000 notebooks:
- The notebook does not detect wireless networks and the wireless adapter is not detected in the Device Manager.
- There is no video on the computer LCD panel or external monitor.

The following symptoms apply to the dv6000, dv9000 and v6000 series notebooks:
- The notebook does not detect wireless networks and the wireless adapter is not detected in the Device Manager.
- There is no video on the computer LCD panel or external monitor.
- The notebook has no power and no active LEDs.
- The notebook does not start.
- The battery charge indicator light does not turn on when the battery is installed and the AC adapter is connected.
- The notebook issues a single beep during boot indicating no power.
- The external monitor functions but there is no image on the notebook LCD panel."


Hardware issue.

Inadequate cooling for the GPU.
Graphics Processing Unit, or graphics chipset,

[ Chip and Chipset are slang terms for I.C.
Integrated Circuit, ]

The GPU for the Pavilion dv9000 series Notebook PC's, is an Nvidia GeForce Go 7150M,

To explain further,
A) Starting with the inadequate cooling for the GPU:

The above link shows the Cooling System for the dv9000 series of Notebook PC's.

Looking at the top photo you are looking at a top view;

1) The black Fan Assembly on the left top,

2) The finned black Heatsink, which is on the bottom of the Fan Assembly.
{The Heatsink cannot be viewed very well in this photo.
It is a rectangular object composed of thin fins, attached to a plate of metal.

The length can be seen by the two tabs at either end. One tab sticks out on the left side, and the other tab sticks out of the right side. Each has a hole in it.

The thin fins cannot be seen. They are running in a vertical position, in this photo }

3) The curved copper Cooling Tube. (Slightly flattened copper tube sealed on both ends, and filled with Nitrogen )

4) The Cooling Tube metal plates. A type of Heatsink.

Looking at the top photo, view the aluminum looking metal plate to the right, that resembles a square inside an X.
This metal plate sits on top of the Processor.

Looking to the left along the Cooling Tube, and coming away from the processor's metal plate, is another small aluminum looking metal plate.
This small square metal plate, protrudes out of the side of the Cooling Tube.

This metal plate sits on top of the GPU.
It's size is too small for the job. Inadequate cooling surface area.

Heat from the GPU, and the Processor, is absorbed by the individual metal plates, which sit on top of them.
The heat is then absorbed by the copper Cooling Tube.

The Cooling Tube transfers the heat along it, to the Heatsink.
The thin, tall fins of the Heatsink absorb the heat, then radiate it away.
(Much like a radiator used in a home, or a car radiator)

The Fan Assembly pushes air through, and around, the tall, thin fins of the Heatsink, and helps to carry heat away from the fins.

B) BGA Surface Mount:

To explain the BGA surface mount;
Compare to an older Intel Pentium 4 processor, and it's Socket 478 processor socket,

The flat bottom of the Processor chipset has contact pins, which protrude out. 478 of them.
The Socket 478 processor socket has 478 socket holes, to match.

With a BGA surface mount there are no contact pins, nor socket holes.
The GPU chipset has Solder Balls on the bottom.
The motherboard has matching Copper Pads.

The GPU's solder balls are lined up with the motherboard's copper pads. Then heat is applied at a specific temperature, and length of time.
The solder balls melt, which in turn solders the GPU to the copper pads.
(In turn soldering the GPU to the motherboard)

With the inadequate cooling for the GPU, the GPU overheats.
Constant overheating one day leads to the solder connections partially melting.
Poor contact is made from the GPU to the motherboard.

This link is to a video to show you more. It is not linked for advertising, nor the repair method,

For additional questions please post in a Comment.


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The Nvidia GeForce 8600M GT chipset isn't the problem. It's the cooling system.

The cooling system is inadequate. It cannot cool the Processor, AND the Nvidia GeForce 8600M GT chipset properly.

HP knows this.

When the Nvidia GeForce 8600M GT chipset overheats, it comes loose from it's motherboard mounting.

The method of mounting the 8600M GT is connected in a BGA mount.
Ball Grid Array.

To explain:
A) Chip and Chipset are slang terms for I.C. Integrated Circuit.

B) GPU = Graphics Processing Unit

The GPU is mounted on a small circuit board, and then the circuit board has a method of mounting to the motherboard.

With a Processor, the chipset is also mounted on a small circuit board. On the bottom of the circuit board are pins. These pins go down into socket holes in the processor socket.
(Or you have Processors with the socket holes, and the processor socket has the pins)

Instead of pins for mounting, there are round solder balls on the bottom of the small circuit board.
On the motherboard area that the circuit board is to be mounted to, there are a matching number of copper pads.
(We are talking REAL SMALL here. Copper pads about the size of a straight pin head, solder balls about twice the size of this period >. )

The circuit board with it's solder balls, is set into position on the motherboard with it's copper pads.
Heat is used to melt the solder balls, and they solder to the copper pads.

The cooling system in the HP Pavilion dv9700t Notebook PC (Laptop) consists of a Fan/Heatsink Assembly.

The fan draws air up from the bottom, and pushes air through the fins of the Heatsink.
The Heatsink is attached to a long copper tube.
The copper tube has two flat copper plates on it.

One copper plate sits on top of the Processor's case.
The other copper plate sits on top the GPU chip.

Heat is drawn from the Processor, and from the GPU chip to the copper plates. The heat is then transferred to the copper tube, and then to the Heatsink.

It's a POOR design.

NOT having worldwide warranty? Oh?

Watch the entire video. Also states a method to fix the problem.

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