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Anonymous Posted on Jan 09, 2010

Rebuilding 4cylinder Camry.

Rebuilding 2.2 4cylinder Camry. Was just going to do valve job, rings and bearings. #1 piston has rubbed against the counter weights on the Crankshaft. No cracks/breaks some alum. scraped off inner piston. What would cause this?
More yet, what has to be done?

  • Anonymous Jan 10, 2010

    all bearings were in good shape. Along with the crank, clean and smooth. Not sure of roundness though.
    Is it possible to purchase one piston and rod? Or do you have to buy the whole set?

  • Anonymous Jan 19, 2010

    took it apart. Bent rod #1 cyl. got all new rods, bearings and pistons. Crank looks good no scaring, scratches. Old bearings looked good also. Ready to start honing cylinders. Purchased stone hone, manual mentioned using cutting oil. Can't find any. Is there an alternative to cutting oil?

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That damage sounds like it was done by a failed bearing. I would definatly replace that piston and rod. I would definatly check the crank bearings the rod bearings and end caps for wear. You went that far might as well do it all . Thats something you dont want to do again. PS... sometimes the human eye can't see those "cracks" .

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For the piston to have touched the crank something is really wrong, worn pin in the piston, extremely worn rod, or bent rod. You need a competent machine shop to check everything and have your crank machined to fit the new bearings.

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