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Peugeot 405 srdt

Car will not start - turns over but probably not fast enough - glow plugs test ok - battery ok - fuel solenoid ok - starts easily with a tow start - runs very nicely once started by towing - suspect starter motor not turning over fast enough. Can only see one bolt to remove starter motor - is there a hidden one and is it impossible to get out? - any comments/advice?

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There should be three bolts on the starter motor. The all face the same direction and should be in a pattern with one on the bottom, one up and to the side and one directly above the bottom one at the very top of the starter. You may have to move the exhaust pipe or certain lines to get enough room to get it out to test it. Let me know if you have questions with this. You are going to want to get it from underneath the car

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    Benjamin Patri Aug 12, 2008

    Also, almost forgot, disconnect the negative battery terminal before working on the car, you don't want to short anything or get shocked yourself

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