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Posted on May 28, 2008

Throttle position sensor

Hi my 04 sentra 1.8 threw a code for the TP sensor. The rpms surge and die. I replaced the throttle unit. It still does it. What else could it be? Is there a wire or connector that could do this?

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If the code keeps comming back then you would first find the wire that goes from the tps to the computer. check for the five volt reference voltage, at the computer and at the tps and then check to see if the return voltage is also at the computer. ( this wire sometimes breaks)

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