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When i press the brake pedal and see the voltage drops

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The voltage drops because the brake lights are lighting. It is common when idling or engine rpm is low

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Is there a fuse for the brake lights?

you replaced brake light sensor, not switch. Did you recalibrate it ?

Brake Pedal Position Sensor Calibration Description and Operation
Calibration Criteria
Brake pedal position sensor calibration must be preformed after the brake pedal position sensor or electronic brake control module (EBCM) have been serviced. The calibration procedure will set the brake pedal position sensor "home" value. This value is used by the EBCM to determine the action of the driver applying the brake system and to provide this information to the vehicle subsystems via the class II communication bus.
Calibration Procedure
• Install a scan tool.
• Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
• Select Chassis.
• Select DRP/ABS/TCS/VSES.
• Select Special Functions.
• Select the BPP Sensor Calibration and follow the directions displayed on the screen.


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The brake pedal position sensor is a resistive device used to sense the action of the driver's application of the brake pedal. The brake pedal position sensor provides an analog signal that will increase as the brake pedal is pressed.
The brake pedal position sensor receives both a 5-volt reference voltage and a low reference signal from the electronic brake control module (EBCM). When the brake pedal is pressed, a variable signal is applied from the brake pedal position sensor to the EBCM through the brake sensor signal circuit. The fuse block left rear supplies battery positive voltage to the bass relay switch through the BASS fuse. One side of the bass relay coil is permanently grounded at G402. The EBCM supplies voltage to the bass relay coil upon receiving the signal from the brake pedal position sensor. The switch contacts of the bass relay close and battery positive voltage is applied through the bass relay switch to the center high mounted stop lamp (CHMSL), and to the turn signal/hazard flasher module through the stop lamp switch signal circuit. The ground for the CHMSL is applied from G402. The turn signal/hazard flasher module then supplies voltage to the left and right stop lamps in the tail lamp assemblies that have ground at G401 and G402. For export vehicles the stop lamps receive battery positive voltage directly from the bass relay.


your best bet, have a qualified repair shop check it.
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2002 Chevy S10 4 door 4x4. Idle drops to almost nothing and it feels like my foot is on the brake pedal when I shift to 4x4?

  1. Vacuum leak: A vacuum leak can cause the idle to drop, making it feel like you are pressing the brake pedal when you shift to 4x4.
  2. Throttle position sensor (TPS): The TPS is responsible for sending a signal to the engine management system regarding the position of the throttle. If the TPS is malfunctioning, it can cause the idle to drop and result in a similar feeling as if you were pressing the brake pedal.
  3. Transmission: A problem with the transmission can cause the vehicle to feel like it's slipping or dragging, making it feel like your foot is on the brake pedal.
  4. Transfer case: If there is an issue with the transfer case, such as low fluid levels or a problem with the shift mechanism, it could result in a similar feeling as if you were pressing the brake pedal when shifting to 4x4.
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2007 saturn sky brake lights on constantly. cruise control does nor work. neutral safety switch does nor work.

Your best bet , take your vehicle to a qualified repair shop that has a professional scan tool an service repair info . So it can be diagnosed correctly . The Stop lamp switch is not a old school conventional type . Has three wires , five volt ref. voltage from the BCM ,
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The brake pedal position sensor is used to sense the action of the driver application of the brake pedal. The brake pedal position sensor provides an analog voltage signal that will increase as the brake pedal is applied. The body control module (BCM) provides a low reference signal and a 5-volt reference voltage to the brake pedal position sensor. When the variable signal reaches a voltage threshold indicating the brakes have been applied, the BCM will apply battery positive voltage to the stop lamps, center high mounted stop lamp (CHMSL), transmission control module (TCM), and engine control module (ECM). Ground for the right rear stop lamp and CHMSL is applied at G402. Ground for the left rear stop lamp is applied at G400. The stop lamps on this vehicle will not illuminate unless the ignition is in the accessory, run, or crank positions. When the ignition is in the OFF position the stop lamps will not illuminate when the brake pedal is applied.

Checking for DTC's - diagnostic trouble code's in the BCM would be my first diagnostic step , not guessing an replacing parts .

DTC B3903 02: Stop Lamp Relay Circuit Short to Ground
DTC B3903 05: Stop Lamp Relay Circuit Open or Short to Voltage

DTC C0277 06: Brake Pedal Position Sensor Circuit Short to Ground or Open
DTC C0277 07 : Brake Pedal Position Sensor Circuit Voltage Above Threshold
DTC C0277 09 : Brake Pedal Position Sensor Circuit Rate of Change Above Threshold

DTC C0278 00: Brake Pedal Position Sensor Not Calibrated

DTC C0870 03 : Device Voltage Reference Output 1 Circuit Voltage Below Threshold
DTC C0870 07 : Device Voltage Reference Output 1 Circuit Voltage Above Threshold
As you can see a number of DTC'S can be set , so do yourself a favor an let a qualified technician check it

Circuit/System Description
The brake pedal position sensor is used to sense the action of the driver application of the brake pedal. The brake pedal position sensor provides an analog voltage signal that will increase as the brake pedal is applied. The body control module (BCM) provides a low reference signal and a 5-volt reference voltage to the brake pedal position sensor. When the variable signal reaches a voltage threshold indicating the brakes have been applied, the BCM will apply battery positive voltage to the stop lamps, center high mounted stop lamp (CHMSL), transmission control module (TCM), and engine control module (ECM). The stop lamps will not operate unless the ignition is in the ON position.

DTC P0572 : Brake Switch Circuit 1 Low Voltage
DTC P0573 : Brake Switch Circuit 1 High Voltage

It's hard to fix something when you don't have a clue how it works . The CC is also a controlled function of the BCM .
The BCM monitors the signal circuit of the cruise control switches. The BCM relays the cruise control switch status to the ECM via the GMLAN serial data circuit. The ECM uses the status of the cruise control switch to determine when to capture and maintain the vehicle speed. The ECM monitors the vehicle speed signal circuit in order to determine and the desired vehicle speed. The ECM uses the TAC motor in order to maintain the vehicle speed. For further review of the TAC system, refer to Throttle Actuator Control (TAC) System Description for the 2.0L engine or to Throttle Actuator Control (TAC) System Description for the 2.4L engine. Ignition voltage is supplied to the cruise control switch from the 2-amp CRUISE fuse located in the integrated BCM fuse block. The cruise control switches are located on the steering wheel. The cruise control function switches are arranged in a resistive ladder design, with each cruise control function switch having a different resistance value. The BCM detects a specific voltage value that is associated with any cruise control function switch being activated. When the normally open cruise control on/off switch is turned ON, the switch closes and the BCM detects a predetermined voltage signal on the cruise control set/coast and resume/accel switch signal circuit. The BCM sends a GMLAN serial data message to the ECM indicating that the On/Off switch is active. Similarly, when the + RES switch or the - SET switch are pressed, the BCM detects the predetermined voltage signal on the cruise control set/coast and resume/accel switch signal circuit. To engage the cruise control system, ensure that the vehicle speed is above 40.2 km/h (25 mph), turn the cruise On/Off switch ON and momentarily press the - SET switch. The ECM will engage the cruise control system and record the vehicle speed. The ECM sends a GMLAN serial data message via the BCM to the driver information center (DIC) in order to display the CRUISE ENGAGED message. The - SET switch or the + RES switch will remain inactive when the BCM has not received the predetermined voltage signal from the On/Off switch. Pressing the accelerator pedal, while the cruise control system is engaged, will allow the driver to override the cruise control system in order to accelerate the vehicle beyond the current set vehicle speed. When the accelerator pedal is released, the vehicle will decelerate and resume the current set vehicle speed. The driver can also override the current set vehicle speed via the - SET switch and the + RES switch. When the cruise control system is engaged, pressing and holding the - SET switch will allow the vehicle to decelerate from the current set vehicle speed without deactivating the cruise control system. When the - SET switch is released, the ECM will record the vehicle speed and maintain the vehicle speed as the new set vehicle speed. When the cruise control system is engaged, momentarily pressing the - SET switch will allow the vehicle to decelerate at 1.6 km/h (1 mph) increments for each time that the - SET is momentarily pressed, with a minimum vehicle speed of 37 km/h (23 mph). Pressing and holding the + RES switch, when the cruise control system is engaged, will allow the vehicle to accelerate to a greater vehicle speed than the current set vehicle speed. When the + RES switch is released, the ECM will record the vehicle speed and maintain the vehicle speed as the new set vehicle speed. When the cruise control system is engaged, momentarily pressing the + RES switch will allow the vehicle to accelerate at 1.6 km/h (1 mph) increments for each time that the + RES switch is momentarily pressed, with the maximum acceleration total of 16 km/h (10 mph) over the current set vehicle speed. Momentarily pressing the + RES switch after the cruise control system has been disengaged by pressing the brake pedal, will recall the previous set vehicle speed that is recorded in the ECM.
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I have a 1998 GMC Sonoma two-door extended cab SLS the motor is a 2.2 it's a 5-speed..... With that being said my blinkers are not working when I press the brake pedal my parking lights come on I have...

The way to a fix is to view wiring diagrams an use a DVOM - digital volt ohm meter an test the electrical circuit's . If you don't know how to test automotive electrical systems like this , not just replacing part's , your best bet , take it to a qualified repair shop .
Or learn how too do it correctly .
Electric Testing Techniques You Need to Know

Free wiring diagrams here http://www.bbbind.com/free-tsb Enter vehicle info. year , make , model an engine size . Under system click on lighting , then under system click on exterior lighting .
Click the search button ,then the blue link's .

when I press the brake pedal my parking lights come on ????? To me this sounds like a ground issue , voltage back feeding through the circuit looking for a ground . view the turn signal wiring an test at the back of the vehicle ,turn signal wiring using voltage drop . Watch this video on voltage drop testing .
Mastering Voltage Drop Testing with Pete Meier and Jerry Truglia

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2008 Pontiac solstice- brake lights stay on. Press brake pedal and release, lights go off for about 3 seconds, then come back on.

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The brake pedal position sensor is used to sense the action of the driver application of the brake pedal. The brake pedal position sensor provides an analog voltage signal that will increase as the brake pedal is applied. The body control module (BCM) provides a low reference signal and a 5-volt reference voltage to the brake pedal position sensor. When the variable signal reaches a voltage threshold indicating the brakes have been applied, the BCM will apply battery positive voltage to the stop lamps, center high mounted stop lamp (CHMSL), transmission control module (TCM), and engine control module (ECM). Ground for the right rear stop lamp and CHMSL is applied at G402. Ground for the left rear stop lamp is applied at G400. The stop lamps on this vehicle will not illuminate unless the ignition is in the accessory, run, or crank positions. When the ignition is in the OFF position the stop lamps will not illuminate when the brake pedal is applied.

Do you know what DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes are ?
DTC B3903 02: Stop Lamp Relay Circuit Short to Ground
DTC B3903 05: Stop Lamp Relay Circuit Open or Short to Voltage

DTC C0277 06: Brake Pedal Position Sensor Circuit Short to Ground or Open
DTC C0277 07 : Brake Pedal Position Sensor Circuit Voltage Above Threshold
DTC C0277 09 : Brake Pedal Position Sensor Circuit Rate of Change Above Threshold
DTC C0278 00: Brake Pedal Position Sensor Not Calibrated
DTC C0870 03 : Device Voltage Reference Output 1 Circuit Voltage Below Threshold
DTC C0870 07 : Device Voltage Reference Output 1 Circuit Voltage Above Threshold

Your best bet mite be to take it to a qulaified repair shop .
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Brake lights don't work but all other lights do. It's a 1990 Chevy 1500 short wheel base and I have replaced both circuit boards all bulbs brake switch and fuses are good. Checked and replaced ground

Do you know what electrical testing is and how to do it ? apparently not ! Do you know what a wiring diagram is and how to read one ? Is there B+ voltage going into the brake light switch ? Test this first with a DVOM - digital volt ohm meter . If there is , with the brake pedal pressed ,is there B+ voltage coming out of the switch ? Find a diagram of the wiring harness connector locations look at every connector the brake light wires are in > Check voltage at each connector till voltage disapears . find the open wire , high resistance , what ever is cause B+ voltage not to be there . Watch videos on youtube for voltage drop testing . Mastering Voltage Drop Testing with Pete Meier and Jerry Truglia How to read a wiring diagram . Buy a repair manual . Sorry dude , but if you want to fix car's , learn how .
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The engine surges on my 2007 when i step on the brake

If its only when you press the brakes, there may be a vacuum loss in the power brake system. Check the hoses from the manifold to the master cylinder booster or the connection on the booster itself. The hose may be split or the connection loose and leaking air. The booster itself may have a ruptured diaphragm. To check this, start the engine and run for a few minutes. Press the brake pedal and hold in. Turn off the engine. You should feel the brake pedal drop slightly. Remove your foot off the pedal and press the brake pedal a few times. Each time you press it , the pedal should keep dropping slightly and feel harder and harder to press. This will let you know that the booster is working properly.
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Where is the stop lamp or brake lamp fuse and panel for a 2007 cadillac cts?

Kevin , this is a very complex way of stoplamp control , I will post GM service Description and Operation of how they work an let you deside if you want to tackle this ! Do the center high mount brake lights work ?
The brake pedal position sensor is a resistive device used to sense the action of the driver's application of the brake pedal. The brake pedal position sensor provides an analog signal that will increase as the brake pedal is pressed.
The brake pedal position sensor receives both a 5-volt reference voltage and a low reference signal from the electronic brake control module (EBCM). When the brake pedal is pressed, a variable signal is applied from the brake pedal position sensor to the EBCM through the brake sensor signal circuit. The fuse block left rear supplies battery positive voltage to the bass relay switch through the BASS fuse. One side of the bass relay coil is permanently grounded at G402. The EBCM supplies voltage to the bass relay coil upon receiving the signal from the brake pedal position sensor. The switch contacts of the bas relay close and battery positive voltage is applied through the bas relay switch to the center high mounted stop lamp (CHMSL), and to the turn signal/hazard flasher module through the stop lamp switch signal circuit. The ground for the CHMSL is applied from G402. The turn signal/hazard flasher module then supplies voltage to the left and right stop lamps in the tail lamp assemblies that have ground at G401 and G402. For export vehicles the stop lamps receive battery positive voltage directly from the bass relay.

There could be a code stored in the EBCM - electronic brake control module - DTC B3903 Stop Lamp Relay Circuit
DTC C0278 Brake Pedal Position Sensor Not Calibrated
there are several other codes that pertane to the brake lights . you could try Replaceing the bas relay !
Fuse Block - Left Rear
In the passenger compartment, under the left side of the rear seat at carpet.
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Car will not shift into drive when pressing brake pedal

Your BTSI (brake interlock shift system) is in faulty. When you pressed on the brake pedal, there is a voltage send to the BTSI solenoid which is supposed to unlock so you can shift. If you can verify that the brake switch send a voltage to the solenoid , the solenoid is the faulty part.
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Wat is a brake switch

An electrical switch located on the upper side of the brake pedal arm. It has voltage going to it, and when you depress the brake pedal, the switch closes and let the voltage go to the brake lights. (These switches are adjustable)
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