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Mick Yoo Posted on Jul 26, 2016

T104r timer manual switch not working, clock runs fine, on and off trippers work

The timer is connected to lights, manual switch does not turn them on or off, but it snaps crisp and clean, trippers hit the switch and moves it into the on or off position, but does nothing. But lights will turn on and off by itself. When light is on, with manual switch in off position, turning the breaker off and then on, will close the light, but then light will just turn on by itself after 30min to 1 hour. This is old installation that stopped working.

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The contacts inside the time clock have most likely warn out. If it is coming on randomly it is not making good contact and will create arcing, which is dangerous. Call an electrician, they may be able to replace just the internals.

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Hippy_dd

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  • Posted on Aug 22, 2009

SOURCE: pool timer stopped working

look on the dial to see which way it turns, it has time markings on it and turns the way it needs to in order to keep time, if u pull it out to set it, then u push it back in for it to work and vice versa

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  • Posted on Aug 24, 2009

SOURCE: Timer works fine. In on position, pool pump does not turn on

Most likely problems: The switch contacts in the timer are burned or, there is a loose connection or, the lever linkage is loose.

Need to turn off breaker and inspect for these potential failures.

More info, let me know...

Charlie

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Dec 05, 2009

SOURCE: T104R timer clock has stopped working. I have to

If you can also turn the pump on and off manually by turning the dial, then the timer motor is bad.

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  • Posted on Feb 03, 2011

SOURCE: I have the same above T104 Mechanical Time Switch.

If i understand correctly, you have T104 240V timer that has worked fine in the past.
If this is true, then breaker is correct size.

If this is new installation, then check wiring at timer, and then add up total watts of Load and divide by 240 to check if breaker is sized correctly
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-wire-T104-Intermatic-timer.html
http://waterheatertimer.org/B220C.html

If timer worked fine in the past: It seems you have a short somewhere, which is puzzling why it trips when when timer turns OFF.
And the short could be inside a bad breaker -or- inside the timer -or- possibly a wire.
Move wires from 240Breaker to another same-size 240V breaker and see if problem persists.

After moving wires to another breaker, use manual override to check if suspect is the breaker or possibly a short in the timer.
Absolutely stand on dry surface or dry boards when working on this timer, to be on safe side.
Manual override should switch Load on-off, and override should snap clean and crisp each time.
If manual override lever is not crisp, then that signals timer has gone bad.

Also snap mechanism out of box using thumb-spring at top of box, and look for signs of burning and high heat, especially at contacts.

If you buy new timer, the inside mechanism can be swapped out without changing the box.

Add a comment and let me know what you find out, and I will respond if needed.
This is interesting puzzle.

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Anonymous

  • Posted on May 30, 2011

SOURCE: I have a new Intermatic

I suspect the wiring to Load is reversed with wiring from circuit breaker.
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-wire-T104-Intermatic-timer.html

Open following link for troubleshoot checklist:
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-troubleshoot-Intermatic-timer.html

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If manual override works, then timer is basically sound.

1) If dial does not rotate, then replace clock motor: T104 timer uses 240Volt clock motor. T101 and T103 use 125Volt clock motor

2) If dial rotates, but trippers are missing or trippers are worn down and no longer click on-off lever, then buy new trippers.
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If I understand correctly, you have T-104 240V timer.
Timer was running fine before, and recently stopped working.
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1) Click manual override back and forth to see if Load turns on-off.
If Load does not turn on-off, then check power at Load.
Timer has 5 terminals A 1 2 3 4
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2) Check terminals 1 and 3 for 240Volts to make sure timer has full 240V and breaker is not tripped OFF on one leg. If timer has 120V, it appears to have voltage, but clock will not rotate and Load will not turn on-off. Check breaker for 240V across both screws.

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http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/timer-accessories/timers/electrical/ecatalog/N-8hi
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/INTERMATIC-Time-Clock-Motor-1PNK2?Pid=search

4) If dial is rotating, but trippers don't flip on-off lever, then trippers may be worn down. Buy new trippers.
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/INTERMATIC-Timer-Tripper-2E054?Pid=search

5) How to wire T104 timer
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-wire-T104-Intermatic-timer.html

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ON tripper pushes lever one direction.
OFF tripper pushes lever other direction.
Lever moves electrical contacts together, or pulls contacts apart.
When lever moves on-off, manual override lever also snaps back and forth with audible clicking sound.

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http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-wire-T104-Intermatic-timer.html#T103

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1) Manual override is working correctly, and it snaps crisp and clean, and Load turns on-and-off.
That means timer is basically good.

2) Next look to see if yellow dial is rotating.
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Take photo of wiring and mark wires before starting.
Remove two white wires connected to screw terminals 1 and A.
Snap timer mechanism out of box, clock motor is on back of timer.
Use small star screwdriver to remove old clock motor.
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http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/INTERMATIC-Time-Clock-Motor-1PNK1?Pid=search

3) If dial is rotating, but gets stuck at certain times, or runs slow, then replace clock motor.

4) If dial is rotating, and trippers are attached to dial, but timer does not turn ON, then trippers are worn down and need to be replaced.
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http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/INTERMATIC-Timer-Tripper-2E054?Pid=search

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OFF tripper pushes lever opposite direction.
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Manual override lever clicks back and forth with each ON-OFF action.

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The off tripper pin is not turning off my timer. Why?

Does the manual override work?
If manual override does not work, then the timer is probably worn out.
Buy new T-104 (not T-101 or T-103 because these have 120V motor)
No need to replace box >>> new T-104 mechanism snaps out and fits old box

If override works then the tripper pin could be worn out.

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T104R timer clock has stopped working. I have to manually turn pump on and off.

If you can also turn the pump on and off manually by turning the dial, then the timer motor is bad.
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