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Power max generator battery is charged spark plug is firing engine is cranking but will not start. Is there some other shut off switch or valve I am not finding?

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With a charged battery and good ignition spark, there are just a few things which will prevent an internal combustion engine from starting...

clogged or shut off fuel supply. check for valves or filters or kinks in fuel lines.

spark may be there, but timing may be off if ignition is non-electronic and automatically set.

if fuel is gasoline, engine may be flooded with fuel. if you smell unburnt gas around the exhaust, fuel regulation/carburetor may be stuck in "too-open" position. on cars with carburetors, this can be cured pretty easily by holding the throttle WIDE OPEN and cranking the engine until the air pumped through it evaporates enough excess fuel to get to an ignitable mixture. same for 2-cycle engines like chain saws, too. see if throttle can be held open by hand until the engine starts.

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Engine has been rebuilt, has now been stored for over three years. I have just put it all back together properly and can't get it to start. Searching for an appropriate wiring diagram for this model or any...

take out the spark plug keep it in the plug wire turnover the motor with the plug grounded against the head but do not touch the end of plug an turn over motor it should fire at the plug tip.If no fire check the coil gap and safety switches.Hope this helps.
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When I turn the key on I can hear fuel pump prime and from some where around the carburetor I hear a buzz noise.

Make/Model/Year helps get a more specific answer.

However, that buzz noise around the carburetor may be a fuel cutoff solenoid.
Note: On Riding Mowers if battery voltage drops below 9 volts when cranking or while the engine is running, the fuel solenoid will not function. That means the engine will not start or will die soon after starting.

  1. verify battery fully charged.
  2. verify the fuel cutoff solenoid clicks when you turn the key switch.
  3. Check your battery voltage before, during, and after cranking. If the battery voltage is good before but drops below 9 volts while cranking this is generally a sign the battery has one or more bad cells.
If the problem is not the fuel solenoid you will have to go step by step through the fuel, fire, and air diagnostics. Here is the routine we use on riding mowers.

For a more precise answer we need Make/Model/Year/Engine Model/Deck Size, and hours on meter if you have one.
Let's say you have less than 300 hours on the engine. Let's further assume it worked last summer, or last week, but now it's acting up. Let's also verify the battery is in good shape and fully charged.

A mechanically functional (meaning all the internal parts are working, i.e. pistons, valves, etc) engine requires 3 things, air, fuel, spark. So the quickest way to start your diagnostics is to remove the cover over the air filter and then remove the air filter. I do not recommend spraying Quick Start.

  1. remove air filter (set it aside for the rest of the diagnostics)
  2. put throttle on fast run (do not choke)
  3. pour an ounce or two (a shot glass) of fresh gas into the carburetor
  4. crank engine (15 to 20 seconds, rest to cool the starter, repeat 3 times if it does not fire at first).
Removing the air filter and placing the throttle at full speed with no choke eliminates the "air" question. Dumping in the fuel eliminated all fuel related questions. What's left? Spark. If the engine fires and runs a bit, then dies, you have eliminated the spark question. The engine started so Spark and Air are good; you have to track down a fuel problem.

If the engine does not fire, you have eliminated the Air & Fuel questions; you must tract down a Spark problem.

Tracking down fuel problems.
  1. Make sure there is plenty of fresh fuel in tank.
  2. Remove fuel line from filter and remove the filter, gas should pour out of the hose coming from the tank. If it does not, remove gas tank cap. If fuel flows now, you need to unclog the cap vent or replace the cap. If the fuel still does not flow then blow air from the filter end of the hose back up through fuel line to blow out blockage inside the gas tank. Once you have fuel flowing out the line to the filter, PUT ON A FRESH FILTER. Try cranking the engine. If it still does not start move on to the carburetor.
  3. Note: many systems have a fuel shut off solenoid. This is a small black cylinder on the bottom of the carburetor. It has two wires running to it. It should make an audible click when you turn the key on.
  4. NOTE: if battery voltage drops below 9 volts when cranking or while the engine is running, the fuel solenoid will not function. That means the engine will not start or will die soon after starting. So check your battery voltage before, during, and after cranking. If the battery voltage is good before but drops below 9 volts while cranking this is generally a sign the battery has one or more bad cells. Replace the battery. If the battery is in fact good and the voltage is still dropping you may have a bad starter motor and it is drawing too much amperage.
  5. Ck to see that the carburetor bowl is full of fuel, if not...you may have to disassemble and clean the carb at this point.
Tracking down Spark problems.
  1. verify battery fully charged.
  2. verify the fuel cutoff solenoid clicks when you turn the key switch.
  3. get fresh spark plugs and verify gap
  4. install plugs and crank. Perhaps verify spark with a spark tester.
If these simple steps do not solve the spark problem, you have a Spark problem that moves into the arena of complex. You will need to check coil gap and coil performance. If it still doesn't start you will need to diagnose the electrical system for wiring and safety switch problems, key switch problems, fuses, etc.

A Problem of Air Control.
If you determine the Spark & Fuel systems are good, the next likely problem is Valve adjustment out of wack. This is a problem of Air Control (and its sister compression), the third element in the engine trinity. Usually this problem shows up as backfire; either back through the carburetor or out through the exhaust. It will backfire while you are trying to start it. HOWEVER, it does not always generate backfire. You may instead notice that the engine spins more freely than usual; or oddly enough just the opposite and the engine bind while you are cranking it. This is because the compression is lost by out of wack valves or the compression is out of sync with the spark. You need a valve adjustment.

Once you get it running be sure to replace the Air Filter with a new one.

These simple steps solve most starting and running questions and problems.
Mar 19, 2015 • Garden
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Cranks no spark

Need Make/Model/Year/Engine Model/Deck Size, and hours on meter if you have one.

Let's say you have less than 300 hours on the engine. Let's further assume it worked last summer, or last week, but now it's acting up. Let's also verify the battery is in good shape and fully charged.

A mechanically functional (meaning all the internal parts are working, i.e. pistons, valves, etc) engine requires 3 things, air, fuel, spark. So the quickest way to start your diagnostics is to remove the cover over the air filter and then remove the air filter. I do not recommend spraying Quick Start.
  1. remove air filter (set it aside for the rest of the diagnostics)
  2. put throttle on fast run (do not choke)
  3. pour an ounce or two (a shot glass) of fresh gas into the carburetor
  4. crank engine (15 to 20 seconds, rest to cool the starter, repeat 3 times if it does not fire at first).
Removing the air filter and placing the throttle at full speed with no choke eliminates the "air" question. Dumping in the fuel eliminated all fuel related questions. What's left? Spark. If the engine fires and runs a bit, then dies, you have eliminated the spark question. The engine started so Spark and Air are good; you have to track down a fuel problem.

If the engine does not fire, you have eliminated the Air & Fuel questions; you must tract down a Spark problem.

Tracking down fuel problems.
  1. Make sure there is plenty of fresh fuel in tank.
  2. Remove fuel line from filter and remove the filter, gas should pour out of the hose coming from the tank. If it does not, remove gas tank cap. If fuel flows now, you need to unclog the cap vent or replace the cap. If the fuel still does not flow then blow air from the filter end of the hose back up through fuel line to blow out blockage inside the gas tank. Once you have fuel flowing out the line to the filter, PUT ON A FRESH FILTER. Try cranking the engine. If it still does not start move on to the carburetor.
  3. Note: many systems have a fuel shut off solenoid. This is a small black cylinder on the bottom of the carburetor. It has two wires running to it. It should make an audible click when you turn the key on.
  4. NOTE: if battery voltage drops below 9 volts when cranking or while the engine is running, the fuel solenoid will not function. That means the engine will not start or will die soon after starting. So check your battery voltage before, during, and after cranking. If the battery voltage is good before but drops below 9 volts while cranking this is generally a sign the battery has one or more bad cells. Replace the battery. If the battery is in fact good and the voltage is still dropping you may have a bad starter motor and it is drawing too much amperage.
  5. Ck to see that the carburetor bowl is full of fuel, if not...you may have to disassemble and clean the carb at this point.
Tracking down Spark problems.
  1. verify battery fully charged.
  2. verify the fuel cutoff solenoid clicks when you turn the key switch
  3. get fresh spark plugs and verify gap
  4. install plugs and crank. Perhaps verify spark with a spark testor
If these simple steps do not solve the spark problem, you have a Spark problem that moves into the arena of complex. You will need to check coil gap and coil performance. If it still doesn't start you will need to diagnose the electrical system for wiring and safety switch problems, key switch problems, fuses, etc.

A Problem of Air Control.
If you determine the Spark & Fuel systems are good, the next likely problem is Valve adjustment out of wack. This is a problem of Air Control (and its sister compression), the third element in the engine trinity. Usually this problem shows up as backfire; either back through the carburetor or out through the exhaust. It will backfire while you are trying to start it. HOWEVER, it does not always generate backfire. You may instead notice that the engine spins more freely than usual; or oddly enough just the opposite and the engine bind while you are cranking it. This is because the compression is lost by out of wack valves or the compression is out of sync with the spark. You need a valve adjustment.

Once you get it running be sure to replace the Air Filter with a new one.

These simple steps solve most starting and running questions and problems.
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Cranks but no spark

Need Make/Model/Year/Engine Model/Deck Size, and hours on meter if you have one.

Let's say you have less than 300 hours on the engine. Let's further assume it worked last summer, or last week, but now it's acting up. Let's also verify the battery is in good shape and fully charged.

A mechanically functional (meaning all the internal parts are working, i.e. pistons, valves, etc) engine requires 3 things, air, fuel, spark. So the quickest way to start your diagnostics is to remove the cover over the air filter and then remove the air filter. I do not recommend spraying Quick Start.
  1. remove air filter (set it aside for the rest of the diagnostics)
  2. put throttle on fast run (do not choke)
  3. pour an ounce or two (a shot glass) of fresh gas into the carburetor
  4. crank engine (15 to 20 seconds, rest to cool the starter, repeat 3 times if it does not fire at first).
Removing the air filter and placing the throttle at full speed with no choke eliminates the "air" question. Dumping in the fuel eliminated all fuel related questions. What's left? Spark. If the engine fires and runs a bit, then dies, you have eliminated the spark question. The engine started so Spark and Air are good; you have to track down a fuel problem.

If the engine does not fire, you have eliminated the Air & Fuel questions; you must tract down a Spark problem.

Tracking down fuel problems.
  1. Make sure there is plenty of fresh fuel in tank.
  2. Remove fuel line from filter and remove the filter, gas should pour out of the hose coming from the tank. If it does not, remove gas tank cap. If fuel flows now, you need to unclog the cap vent or replace the cap. If the fuel still does not flow then blow air from the filter end of the hose back up through fuel line to blow out blockage inside the gas tank. Once you have fuel flowing out the line to the filter, PUT ON A FRESH FILTER. Try cranking the engine. If it still does not start move on to the carburetor.
  3. Note: many systems have a fuel shut off solenoid. This is a small black cylinder on the bottom of the carburetor. It has two wires running to it. It should make an audible click when you turn the key on.
  4. NOTE: if battery voltage drops below 9 volts when cranking or while the engine is running, the fuel solenoid will not function. That means the engine will not start or will die soon after starting. So check your battery voltage before, during, and after cranking. If the battery voltage is good before but drops below 9 volts while cranking this is generally a sign the battery has one or more bad cells. Replace the battery. If the battery is in fact good and the voltage is still dropping you may have a bad starter motor and it is drawing too much amperage.
  5. Ck to see that the carburetor bowl is full of fuel, if not...you may have to disassemble and clean the carb at this point.
Tracking down Spark problems.
  1. verify battery fully charged.
  2. verify the fuel cutoff solenoid clicks when you turn the key switch
  3. get fresh spark plugs and verify gap
  4. install plugs and crank. Perhaps verify spark with a spark testor
If these simple steps do not solve the spark problem, you have a Spark problem that moves into the arena of complex. You will need to check coil gap and coil performance. If it still doesn't start you will need to diagnose the electrical system for wiring and safety switch problems, key switch problems, fuses, etc.

A Problem of Air Control.
If you determine the Spark & Fuel systems are good, the next likely problem is Valve adjustment out of wack. This is a problem of Air Control (and its sister compression), the third element in the engine trinity. Usually this problem shows up as backfire; either back through the carburetor or out through the exhaust. It will backfire while you are trying to start it. HOWEVER, it does not always generate backfire. You may instead notice that the engine spins more freely than usual; or oddly enough just the opposite and the engine bind while you are cranking it. This is because the compression is lost by out of wack valves or the compression is out of sync with the spark. You need a valve adjustment.

Once you get it running be sure to replace the Air Filter with a new one.

These simple steps solve most starting and running questions and problems.
Mar 17, 2015 • Garden
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Trying to start and it will run for a few seconds then stop running what can I try

Your problem sounds like it comes from a fuel availability problem.

Let's say you have less than 300 hours on the engine. Let's further assume it worked last summer, or last week, but now it's acting up. Let's also verify the battery is in good shape and fully charged.

A mechanically functional (meaning all the internal parts are working, i.e. pistons, valves, etc) engine requires 3 things, air, fuel, spark. So the quickest way to start your diagnostics is to remove the cover over the air filter and then remove the air filter. I do not recommend spraying Quick Start.
  1. remove air filter (set it aside for the rest of the diagnostics)
  2. put throttle on fast run (do not choke)
  3. pour an ounce or two (a shot glass) of fresh gas into the carburetor
  4. crank engine (15 to 20 seconds, rest to cool the starter, repeat 3 times if it does not fire at first).
Removing the air filter and placing the throttle at full speed with no choke eliminates the "air" question. Dumping in the fuel eliminated all fuel related questions. What's left? Spark. If the engine fires and runs a bit, then dies, you have eliminated the spark question. The engine started so Spark and Air are good; you have to track down a fuel problem.

If the engine does not fire, you have eliminated the Air & Fuel questions; you must tract down a Spark problem.

Tracking down fuel problems.
  1. Make sure there is plenty of fresh fuel in tank.
  2. Remove fuel line from filter and remove the filter, gas should pour out of the hose coming from the tank. If it does not, remove gas tank cap. If fuel flows now, you need to unclog the cap vent or replace the cap. If the fuel still does not flow then blow air from the filter end of the hose back up through fuel line to blow out blockage inside the gas tank. Once you have fuel flowing out the line to the filter, PUT ON A FRESH FILTER. Try cranking the engine. If it still does not start move on to the carburetor.
  3. Note: many systems have a fuel shut off solenoid. This is a small black cylinder on the bottom of the carburetor. It has two wires running to it. It should make an audible click when you turn the key on.
  4. NOTE: if battery voltage drops below 9 volts when cranking or while the engine is running, the fuel solenoid will not function. That means the engine will not start or will die soon after starting. So check your battery voltage before, during, and after cranking. If the battery voltage is good before but drops below 9 volts while cranking this is generally a sign the battery has one or more bad cells. Replace the battery. If the battery is in fact good and the voltage is still dropping you may have a bad starter motor and it is drawing too much amperage.
  5. Ck to see that the carburetor bowl is full of fuel, if not...you may have to disassemble and clean the carb at this point.
Tracking down Spark problems.
  1. verify battery fully charged.
  2. verify the fuel cutoff solenoid clicks when you turn the key switch
  3. get fresh spark plugs and verify gap
  4. install plugs and crank. Perhaps verify spark with a spark testor
If these simple steps do not solve the spark problem, you have a Spark problem that moves into the arena of complex. You will need to check coil gap and coil performance. If it still doesn't start you will need to diagnose the electrical system for wiring and safety switch problems, key switch problems, fuses, etc.

A Problem of Air Control.
If you determine the Spark & Fuel systems are good, the next likely problem is Valve adjustment out of wack. This is a problem of Air Control (and its sister compression), the third element in the engine trinity. Usually this problem shows up as backfire; either back through the carburetor or out through the exhaust. It will backfire while you are trying to start it. HOWEVER, it does not always generate backfire. You may instead notice that the engine spins more freely than usual; or oddly enough just the opposite and the engine bind while you are cranking it. This is because the compression is lost by out of wack valves or the compression is out of sync with the spark. You need a valve adjustment.

Once you get it running be sure to replace the Air Filter with a new one.

These simple steps solve most starting and running questions and problems.
Mar 09, 2015 • Garden
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18Hp v b&s backfiring or poping thru the carb almost start but wont i have fire so idk its a john deer gt 235 2000 the. Ignition mod went bad, i would just start turning over when i would the key to run...

Since the machine is a year 2000 machine, I assume it has several hundred hours on it? If this is the case, it may be your valves need adjustment.

Valves that are out of adjustment will allow the engine to spin more easily than normal because they are not locking the cylinder for proper compression. More importantly, they allow the fired gas vapor to flash back through the carburetor or down through the exhaust. This is heard as a backfire while cranking the engine and it results in a non-starting situation.

The good news is...it indicates you may not have a problem with fuel or spark.It's a problem of Air control.I am going to add my simple starting diagnostics below this post.

All engines that are working correctly internally need Air, Fuel, and Spark. Bad valves (out of adjustment or worn) give you problems with the Air component.

Prior Post:
Let's say you have less than 300 hours on the engine. Let's further assume it worked last summer, or last week, but now it's acting up. Let's also verify the battery is in good shape and fully charged.

A mechanically functional (meaning all the internal parts are working, i.e. pistons, valves, etc) engine requires 3 things, air, fuel, spark. So the quickest way to start your diagnostics is to remove the cover over the air filter and then remove the air filter. I do not recommend spraying Quick Start.
  1. remove air filter (set it aside for the rest of the diagnostics)
  2. put throttle on fast run (do not choke)
  3. pour an ounce or two of fresh gas into the carburetor
  4. crank engine (15 to 20 seconds, rest to cool the starter, repeat 3 times if it does not fire at first).
Removing the air filter and placing the throttle at full speed with no choke eliminates the "air" question. Dumping in the fuel eliminated all fuel related questions. What's left? Spark. If the engine fires and runs a bit, then dies, you have eliminated the spark question. The engine started so Spark and Air are good; you have to track down a fuel problem.

If the engine does not fire, you have eliminated the Air & Fuel questions; you must tract down a Spark problem.

Tracking down fuel problems.
  1. Make sure there is plenty of fresh fuel in tank.
  2. Remove fuel line from filter and remove the filter, gas should pour out of the hose coming from the tank. If it does not, remove gas tank cap. If fuel flows now, you need to unclog the cap vent or replace the cap. If the fuel still does not flow then blow air from the filter end of the hose back up through fuel line to blow out blockage inside the gas tank. Once you have fuel flowing out the line to the filter, PUT ON A FRESH FILTER. Try cranking the engine. If it still does not start move on to the carburetor.
  3. Note: many systems have a fuel shut off solenoid. This is a small black cylinder on the bottom of the carburetor. It has two wires running to it. It should make an audible click when you turn the key on.
  4. NOTE: if battery voltage drops below 9 volts when cranking or while the engine is running, the fuel solenoid will not function. That means the engine will not start or will die soon after starting. So check your battery voltage before, during, and after cranking. If the battery voltage is good before but drops below 9 volts while cranking this is generally a sign the battery has one or more bad cells. Replace the battery. If the battery is in fact good and the voltage is still dropping you may have a bad starter motor and it is drawing too much amperage.
  5. Ck to see that the carburetor bowl is full of fuel, if not...you may have to disassemble and clean the carb at this point.
Tracking down Spark problems.
  1. verify battery fully charged.
  2. verify the fuel cutoff solenoid clicks when you turn the key switch
  3. get fresh spark plugs and verify gap
  4. install plugs and crank. Perhaps verify spark with a spark testor
If these simple steps do not solve the spark problem, you have a Spark problem that moves into the arena of complex. You will need to check coil gap and coil performance. If it still doesn't start you will need to diagnose the electrical system for wiring and safety switch problems, key switch problems, fuses, etc.

A Problem of Air Control.
If you determine the Spark & Fuel systems are good, the next likely problem is Valve adjustment out of wack. This is a problem of Air Control (and its sister compression), the third element in the engine trinity. Usually this problem shows up as backfire; either back through the carburetor or out through the exhaust. It will backfire while you are trying to start it.HOWEVER, it does not always generate backfire. You may instead notice that the engine spins more freely than usual; or oddly enough just the opposite and the engine bind while you are cranking it. This is because the compression is lost by out of wack valves or the compression occurs at the wrong part of the stroke. You need a valve adjustment.

Once you get it running be sure to replace the Air Filter with a new one.

These simple steps solve most starting and running questions and problems.
Mar 04, 2015 • Garden
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My engine will not start its a 24hp. briggs

cranks no start ???
or no crank at all ???
2 different problems
but if it cranks, spray some carb cleaner in the air filter housing.
yes it starts ??? fuel problem
no ??? no spark
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Not used for 2 years. It will not start.

Engine will

not start

1. Low on fuel or oil. 1. Add fuel or oil.

2. Ignition switch in "Off"position. 2. Turn to "ON" position

3. Faulty spark plug. 3. Replace spark plug.

4. Choke in wrong position. 4. Adjust choke accordingly.

5. Fuel shut-off valve in closed position 5. Open fuel shut-off valve.

6. Unit loaded during start-up. 6. Remove load from unit.
7. Spark plug wire loose. 7. Attach wire to spark plug.

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1990 honda wont start or crank, the lights dont come on, head or inside the car

The distributor in the hondas has a function of also engaging the coil to create spark. No spark = no fire. Perhaps take a plug out, leave the lead on, hold it with INSULATED pliers against a solid metal part of the engine and get someone to crank the engine over.

If the plug sparks - coil and firing switch OK. If no spark, check coil first - remove main + feed lead from coil terminals and check on a meter for power with key on but NO motor cranking. No power = faulty distributor/firing switch.No other ideas sorry!

If it won't turn over you may want to check Battery cables for tightness and/or corrosion Starter solenoid Neutral or clutch safety switch
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Quietsource 25kw Staring problem In auto mode or manual

Hi,
Sounds like the you have no spark since when you force the engine to crank it never fires. The low battery light come on because the 2 sec of cranking lets the voltage get lower than the alarm threshold.
I'd connect a spark tester to either of the plugs and try a manual start, if you see sparks replace the plugs, if you get no sparks then you've got to troubleshoot the ignition modules and the kill wire that comes from them.

Regards,
Carl
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