Grundfos 505474 24-Hour Progammable Timer/Clock Logo
Posted on Jul 06, 2011

I just recieved a grundfos add on timer for my small circulating pump the wiring diagram is not clear need some advise on how to wire

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Grundfos makes many models and many parts.
http://www.plumbersurplus.com/Prod/Grundfos-24-HR-Programmable-Clock-Timer-%28505474%29/11040/Cat/680
You do not say what wires what are available, or what the instructions say, so the expert is left guessing.

Guessing: Normally this type of timer module has at least 4 or 5 wiring terminals.
Two terminals power the clock motor, and two terminals are for the switch.
Example wiring: power from circuit breaker connects to terminals 1 and 3, line going to motor connects to terminal 4, and neutral from breaker box and neutral going to motor connect to terminal 2.
http://waterheatertimer.org/images/FM1-wiring-280.jpg
Another basic wiring plan same as described above:
http://waterheatertimer.org/images/NO-NC-timer-200.jpg

Add a comment with exact information shown in instructions, and what wires you have, and what each wire goes to.
Of add a comment with in-focus photo posted on flickr.

Open following link for recirculation system resources:
http://waterheatertimer.org/Water-heater-recirculation-system.html

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I don't understand how to set the timer on my UP 15-10-B5/TLC Grundfos circulating pump. When it is not plugged in, we have a hard time getting hot water

Sounds like 2 problems:
1) Crossover and 2) Setting timer
Recirculation system has check valve that stops backflow of water when pump is turned off.
When check valve is clogged with sediment, or has worn out, then cold water enters hot pipe or hot water enters cold pipe when faucet is turned on.
Take apart connection where grundfos connects to both hot and cold pipes, and clean with white vinegar or CLR.
http://waterheatertimer.org/Crossover.html
http://waterheatertimer.org/Water-heater-recirculation-system.html

Open following link for setting typical FM/1 analog timer module on Grundfos recirculation pump:
Your timer module may vary in appearance.
Slide switch selector might be located below timer dial.
http://waterheatertimer.org/images/IMG_9325-grundfos-timer-800.jpg
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My water heater needed to be restarted and my comfort recirculation system isn't working now.I"m hoping it is just the timer. I need to reset the timer and I don't know how. I can't find my manual....

Grundfos timer and pump operate by plugging into ordinary 120V outlet.

1) If outlet has power, then dial on timer should rotate.
If dial is not rotating, then check power to outlet.

2) If outlet has power, but timer is not rotating then timer has gone bad > if grundfos pump is working but timer is not working, you can buy cheap plug-in timer and use that as the timer.

3) If outlet has power and pump is not working, then manually rotate timer dial to see if pump will start.
If pump will not start, then you need a new grundfos.
There are no repair parts for these pumps, and nobody at Fixya has reported taking Grundfos apart and repairing it.
My Grundfos pump will not come apart.

4) Following link has links to Grundfos installation manual, website, product manuals, and contact.
http://waterheatertimer.org/Water-heater-recirculation-system.html#Grundfos

5) To set timer: Grundfos timer dial has movable pins that are used to set on-off times.
When pins are pushed out, timer turns pump ON.

6) Rotate timer dial clockwise until current time lines up with arrowhead located on inner dial.
Dial rotates as time passes, and pins move a lever that turns pump on-off.

Add a comment for more free help.
Also take advantage of fixya phone service.
For a price, expert speaks with you over phone while you work on Grundfos or any do-it-yourself project.
Fixya is always less expensive than a service call.
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I have this timer hooked up onto my water heater in the garage . I have instant hot water at all times . My gas bill is 5 times higher than my neighbors . Is this what is causing it ? If I unplug it where...

I think you have a grundfos recirculation pump.
This is not a water heater timer.
For illustration of grundfos system, open link below.
http://waterheatertimer.org/Water-heater-recirculation-system.html
Recirculation system is electric, but it also causes gas water heater to run more.
Unplug grundfos for a couple months to see if gas bill goes down. Your system will revert to regular water heater.

Many things can cause high gas bill. Make inventory of gas-consuming appliances: dryer, oven, stove, heater, water heater. Then inventory how often these appliances are used. Each appliance has a label with BTU listed. Add up BTUs of all appliances and compare with BTUs shown on gas bill. Call gas company about how to cut back.
Gas water heaters can become inefficient. So can any gas appliance. Look at flame inside water heater when it turns on. If flame is yellow instead of clear blue, that indicates the water heater is inefficient, and burner needs to be cleaned, or heater needs replacement or maintenance.
Call plumber for assessment and then post a question on the Tank to double check anything plumber says:
http://www.thetankatwaterheaterrescue.com/forums/forum3/

More information about circulation system:
Notice that illustrations show a pump located under the sink.
It sounds like you have same pump located at water heater.
Both types are same thing.
The purpose is to circulate hot water to your faucet so you don't have to wait for hot water when turning faucet ON. Instead, you have to wait for cold water.

The timer located on grundfos dial determines when pump turns ON.
Link above has illustration showing how to set timer pins using your thumb or ink pin or nail file (women know nail files, so I'm relating here).
To set timer, rotate dial until current time lines up with mark. The dial rotates as time passes and has to be reset after power outage.
If dial does not rotate, then timer is broken, but it sounds like pump is still working, and running full time which is wasteful.
Next, move the pins to set on-off times. Move pins inward, the pump is ON. Pins outward, pump is off.
For more exciting reading about the grundfos:
http://waterheatertimer.org/pdf/Grundfos-L-UP-TL-043-install-photos.pdf
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Timer gets off by hours

I have circulation system on my water heater.
First system gave out.
When taken apart, it was clogged with sediment and couldn't be cleaned.
Put sediment filter on line, and second circulation system works fine, and timer works fine too.
I haven't had timer problem, but have investigated timer motors running fast and slow.
My friend who re-winds big pump motors says homeowner timer motors are engineered for 60Hz.
As long as electric power is 60Hz (60 cycle AC), then motor will keep exact time.
Since your household current is 60Hz and other electro-mechanical timers run correctly, then it's likely timer motor has a flaw or has gone bad.
Grundfos water heater re-circulation pump and timer are sealed unit.
Grundfos manuals do not show parts list or repair steps:
http://waterheatertimer.org/Water-heater-recirculation-system.html#Grundfos
It's aggravating when expensive household timers like Malibu power packs and Grundfos pumps are not made to be repaired.
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Just bought a house and it has a grundfos timer/pump attached at the hot water tank. I have no hot water and the timer doesn't turn (as I've seen other timers do). Is it supposed to turn so that the...

Grundfos is a sealed unit and not a repairable item.
The timer dial should turn.
And pins located around dial control ON-OFF functions as timer dial rotates.
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Does the receptacle have power?
If receptacle has power, and Grundfos is not working, then it is broken.
Grundfos manuals for UP series pumps do not show breakdown or parts list of any kind.
http://www.us.grundfos.com/web/download.nsf/Pages

Bigger question:
Why don't you have hot water?
Is water heater functioning?
Water heater is a separate appliance from Grundfos pump.
Grundfos pump circulates hot water from tank into the lines so there is no waiting for hot water ... but hot water heater should still make hot water.
http://waterheatertimer.org/Water-heater-recirculation-system.html

Add a comment about water heater if that is also a problem.
You could have 2 problems, and water heater is main issue.

For do-it-yourself electric water heater repairs:
http://waterheatertimer.org/6DIY.html
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Grundfos recirculating system. Never has produced semi instant hot water at sink it is installed on. Could the original comfort valve be defective

http://waterheatertimer.org/Water-heater-recirculation-system.html

The circulation system should draw hot water directly from the water heater as shown on illustrations on link above.

The Grundfos pump works on a thermostat, and some work on a timer.
Can you hear the pump working?
There should be a humming sound.
Check the timer -or- thermostat setting.

It is possible the lines are clogged with sediment if you have hard water.

If I was going to fix the problem:
1) check thermostat or timer
2) listen for pump sound
3) check electricity going to unit
4) take apart the pipes and inspect for clogging
If there is a clog, I would flush the line or soak the part in CLR (calcium lime rust remover)

The circulation pumps are sealed and there is no way to take apart the motor, timer, or thermostat for repairs.

add a comment if you need more assistance.
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How do you take clear cover off to get to timer. I don't want to break it.

If your grundfos pump is like mine, it is a sealed 1-piece unit that cannot be taken apart and repaired.
I wanted to change the timer like you but i couldn't.

The autocirc circulation pump has a built-in timer.
I looked at that model, and it doesn't come apart either.

http://waterheatertimer.org/Water-heater-recirculation-system.html
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