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I bought the above switch, and was going to install it; however, I have a conundrum. There are two wires coming from the wall - one black and one red. At the back of this timer, there are 4 wires, a green one at the top, and three others - blue, black and white coming from the bottom. There is no wiring diagram in the package. Suggestions?

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  • cndengr Feb 12, 2011

    The model # is ETW350 by UPM Innovation.

  • cndengr Feb 12, 2011

    Thank you!

  • cndengr Feb 12, 2011

    The solution was helpful,and confirmed what I thought - our wiring needs to be fixed before the switch can be installed.

    No matter - thank you!

  • cndengr Feb 13, 2011

    It is a single box that had a simple switch. The wiring in this part of the house is old unfortunately - only two wires going coming in from the main, and two coming from the light the switch operates.

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May I get the model # of the switch to help you more

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  • Anonymous Feb 12, 2011

    I am leaving for a little while if you have a problem or a question please ask I will reply as soon as I return.

  • Anonymous Feb 12, 2011

    Is this a single gang box where you only have one swithc or do you have 2 switches in the box. All that you need is the neutral line to hook it up. It does not mater where you get the white wire from. the white wire does not supply power.

  • Anonymous Feb 12, 2011

    Also if your wires are in conduit you can run the white wire yourself. You just push the white wire down the tube to the box or to the light. To see if you have conduit look in the box where the wires come in. If there is a hole that is 1/2 inch in diameter then you have conduit and it is a straight line from the box to the light.

  • Anonymous Feb 13, 2011

    Ok sorry that you can not just pull a wire I think you will need to call an electrician.

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Thanks for link to manual.
Solution might take more response for full clarity, and you seem a good electrician.
I have numbered two questions that may be unimportant.
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http://waterheatertimer.org/images/Triple-fan-light-night-light.jpg

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