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Newly installed solar edwards hot water system and the pressure releif is pouring out hot water.The unit came with a expansion control valve 700kpa and a pressure limit valve 500kpa and my mains water pressure is 800kpa. What else do i need to fix this problem. Thank you Regards David

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It sounds like it's doing it's job, by not letting your water heater turn into a missile, or exploding....The "T" in T&P stands for temperature. When it gets too high, the valve will open. The "P" in T&P stands for pressure. When IT gets too high, the valve will open. When they both get too high...you know the rest...The condition can be caused by many factors.
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2. Hot water expansion in a closed loop system...no "prv" or "water meter" bypass...To fix, you can install a small "expansion tank" above the water heater. It will allow the extra bit of water to go somewhere temporarily, Letting the T&P valve stay closed. Installation is always on the hot outlet side, because high efficiency water heaters use a "check ball" in the factory installed cold water inlet nipple, which also doubles as a dip tube. (lets cold water into the heater at the bottom)
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Thermocouple has 2 ends. One end attaches to gas control valve, other end sits inside the pilot flame.
Flame heats thermocouple, causing tiny electrical current that is detected inside the gas control valve and keeps the gas valve open so water heater can turn on when thermostat calls for heating.
If pilot goes out, then no electric current reaches gas control, and all gas to burner and pilot is shut off.

If pex line burst, that implies very high pressure, caused by closed system with check valve that stops expansion, or possible clog in the water line, or high local water pressure, or clogged factory-installed heat traps.
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If the water was super hot, then overheating could have caused the pipe explosion.
However the gas control thermostat is ECO protected, and if ECO (energy cut off) trips because of high heat detected inside the tank or combustion chamber, the gas control will trip off and no longer work, gas control needs to be replaced. Some newer electronic gas controls can be reset, but that type heater uses a thermopile instead of thermocouple.
Thermopile is basically a group of thermocouples, that product more electric current that is used to power electronics inside the gas control valve, which issues an error code on the gas control, and some day will send a text message each time out-of-range event occurs.

Copy following links for troubleshoot resources, including troubleshoot by type of gas control valve:
http://weaterheatertimer.org/How-to-troubleshoot-gas-water-heater.html
http://waterheatertimer.org/Low-hot-water-pressure.html
http://waterheatertimer.org/pdf/How-to-replace-water-heater-gas-valve.pdf

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Usually toilets do not require hot water.
Is the plumbing divided into hot and cold water pipes?
If toilets are hooked to hot water, how many flushes and how many gallons per flush per day.
What is the expected consumption per each worker?
What is the latitude from equator, and expected solar input. Further north, and hazy atmosphere reduce input. Beijing has smog I believe.
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A good fellow to contact might be at following website:
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Solar collectors are usually connected to a circulating pump, and then the heated water is stored in a tank.
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More complicated systems circulate special liquid through spiral tubes inside the water heater.
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Indirect heaters are used for solar collectors, and used with boilers, or any outside heat source.
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http://www.hotwater.com/products/residential/cirrex_solar.html
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How do i install a pressure tank to my water heater?

Do you mean expansion tank? To relieve pressure?
Expansion tank goes on cold water line before cold enters tank.
See image:
http://waterheatertimer.org/images/water-heater-expansion-tank.jpg

Expansion tanks are installed when TP valve is constantly drizzling hot water due to very hot temperature settings. Or when water pressure is high, etc
It's also smart to install expansion tank so plumbing lasts longer, and older tank is less likely to rupture and cause damage. Inspect tank for leaks each 6 months.
Some regions require expansion tank by local code.
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Other resources:
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http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-adjust-temperature-on-water-heater.html
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Before calling service technician, open following link for Rheem troubleshooting resources.
http://waterheatertimer.org/Troubleshoot-Rheem-Tankless-water-heater.html

List of causes MIGHT include one of following:
Bad household circuit breaker that powers electronics, or loose wire inside outlet where tankless plugs in.
Tankless fuses and control board.
Water flow rate too low. Minimum .8 gallon required (depending on model)
Tankless inlet filter clogged.
Household aerators clogged at faucets.
Crossover at single-handled faucet
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Faulty household check valve, including check valve on re-circulation system if that system is installed.
Restriction in household water line, such as clog at elbow.
Unequal pressure in household hot and cold lines, caused by restriction in hot line. When single-handled faucet turns on, the cold water pressure is higher so hot does not flow and tankless will not turn on.
Loose wire connection inside tankless.
Unit temperature set too high.
Unit temperature set too low.
Water temperature is very hot coming out of tap, so more cold is added, but that reduces amount of hot water flow, so tankless turns off because flow rate is too low.
On some tankless, if water is preheated by solar or other indirect source, the burner will not activate.
High mineral content in water > delime tankless yearly
Misaligned temperature sensor
Low gas pressure. Wrong type of gas. Undersized gas line.
Too many faucets on at same time.
Faulty tankless water valve. Water valve stuck.
Fluctuating household water pressure, for example MUD and PUD district water pressure problems or water well pressure.
Faulty household pressure reducing/regulating valve if installed.
Faulty household pressure tank, if installed -or- pressure tank needs to be installed.
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Expansion tank is supposed to stop over-expansion due to pressure.
The check valve will stop over-expansion from pushing pressure back into the supply line.
The real question is what is causing the pressure.
If your TP valve is bad that could cause problem.
If the thermostat is set very high, and there is frequent short-term use of hot water, that can cause heat to build up inside tank.
Solution:
Lift TP valve and let out pressure to see if there is something lodged in the valve.
Be careful of the scalding water.
Let the TP lever down slowly.
Next step would be replace TP valve.
Turn down thermostat to 120, or set to 130-5 if objective is to kill most bacteria.
Last. You might check that your expansion tank is correct for water heater.
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possible problems not knowing age of unit the
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