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Is it possible to change a ef4500ise from a bonded neutral to a floating neutral

By looking at he wiring dia. it looks like all i have to do is remove the red wire term.at the ground lug.will this inhebit the workings of the unit?

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Unless you are going to use this exclusevly for 240V service, this is a bad idea. Your 120V legs will float between 0V and 220V.

Posted on May 23, 2014

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SOURCE: generator plugs doesn't match cord

Hey steve. do you really need 240 volts for 120 v. circuits. the reason you have to have an adaptor plug is because on your 220 volt plug in , 2 of tthose prongs are hot and 1 is ground. for safety you need to get a plug adapter ( a regular 120 volt plug end ) run a ground from adapter to ground on 220 adapter. same with nuetral. you also need to ground your generator. there is usaully a ground lug on the bottom of the gen. Another way. if you dont really need 220 v. is to use both 120v. recepticals on gen. Run 2 chords to tranf. switch. and hard wire it in to switch. another way i did mine . when i lost power in this hurricane. i ran two # 10 chords from my 2 120v. recept on my gen to my breaker panel. when you do this you have to pull the service meter, if you dont when power comes back on it would backfeed through your gen.then i turn all my 220v. breakers i was able to run lights ,ciling fans, freezer, ice box,washing machine and gas dryer , tv's computors etc. . but to do this, you probably need someone that knows what they are doin.

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On a 230 volt std hook up here's the way it is supposed to work. From black to white you should get 115 volts. From Red to white you shoudl get 115 volts. From red to black you should get 230 volts.

Concentrate on getting the correct output from the generator with the load to the house disconnected

This should be 115v (black to white, 115 volts red to white and 230 volts red to black.

On the load side (ie, the house connected) what are you using? 115 volt lights, etc on one side of the
230 volts, and some other 115 volt loads on the other side.. Are there any 230 volt loads. It could be
that one side of the 230 volts (ie, a 115 volt side is drawing a lot more current than the 2nd 115 volt leg.

Get back with me on just what the loads are botth 115 volt and 230 volt . also what are the rating on the circuit breakers.


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SOURCE: Where do you remove the Ground Neutral bond on a

Page 39 of the current owners manual for the both EU6500 and the EM5000 generators indicate that there is not a neutral ground bond on these units.

Per the wiring diagram, the ground pin on the outlets is connected to the frame ground of the generators (on both generators). To have grounded electrical service, a bond wire would connect the generator frame to the ground terminal on the transfer switch. The ground system from the breaker / distribution box (usually to a ground rod) then serves as the electrical ground for the generator, as well as the balance of the rest of the system, satisfying NEC requirements.

See Page 39 in both manuals:
EU6500 EM5000

"The system ground is not connected to the AC neutral
wire. If the generator is tested with a receptacle tester, it will not show the same ground circuit condition as for a home receptacle."

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The four wire 220 twist lock receptacle Two hot wires, one neutral, and a safety ground. Depending on your generators setup the neutral and ground are bonded as one; unless, it setup for a floating neutral.
You would normally connect the two hots and neutral. and leave the ground open on the four prong twist lock plug. Just make sure the compressor is earth grounded on its end.

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I need to know exactly what wire to disconnect on my wh6000s portable generator to float the neutral so i can hook up to home panel with interlock switch. I will ne using the 30 amp 25 ft. cord into a


You need to have the wiring diagram for the generator but they didn't include one in the owners manual and nothing is shown the IPLs that I found.

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To determine if your generator uses a floating or bonded neutral perform this simple test. With the engine off, use an ohm meter between the chassis ground and neutral conductors in the outlet. If it indicates open circuit, the neutral is floating. A short circuit will indicate neutral bonded to ground. I don't recommend doing this to household circuits due to the possibility of exposed AC and damage to the meter.

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Q. If I was to keep the tie between ground and neutral in the generator during standby use, would I have to break the neutral tie coming into home from grid?



A. Never disconnect the neutral line as it enters your house. It is held very well at ground potential. Each transformer is grounded, and every home supplies ground as well. The neutral coming in is the reference to both live lines, and without it, anything connected to either live line could see up to 240VAC depending on what is across the other side. Install a proper transfer panel, and the neutral issue will be taken care of.

Q. Where would I ground the generator at this time in this situation?



A. The generator will be grounded through the extension cord plugging into the transfer panel. Your home should have one ground connection only, adding a ground rod at the generator could create other unwanted safety issues.

Q. At this time is it safe to run an extension cord off generator direct to power a drill for example?



A. Yes. The transfer panel will take care of any neutral and ground bonding issues, provided things are wired correctly.

Q. If I was to lift the neutral to ground in generator and tag generator as floating neutral, then would I leave neutral unbroken in service panel?



A. Yes. The common point for neutral and ground will be provided in the main electrical panel.

Q. Could I use the 15 amp outlets on generator safely in this position to run a drill outside? I see generators with floating neutral have a 15 amp duplex outlet on cabinet also. In this situation would I install a ground at the generator?



A. If you were connected to the house with the four conductor extension cord nothing else will be needed.

Q. If you have a floating neutral generator and use it in a stand alone mode, nothing to do with a home, do you place a ground rod down? What happens with the neutral and ground connections? What about a generator on a truck or trailer?



A. In stand alone use, you should connect to a ground rod. Neutral and ground should also be bonded in the generator. The easiest way to take care of this is with a dummy plug inserted into one of the duplex outlets or the twistlock outlet. Jumper ground and neutral in the plug. A generator on a truck or trailer will follow the same rules for neutral and ground bonding, ground rods, etc.

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A. The only time I would consider backfeeding a house is if the main lines were torn down and laying on the ground. I did this once after Hurricane Juan caused a tree to tear the lines off a neighbors house. The lines were still connected at the pole and were live once commercial power was restored, but there was no possibility of the generator backfeeding to the street. It took almost two weeks before the power company could get them reconnected. We still turned off the main breaker and installed a padlock to prevent it from being turned back on. The house was totally isolated from the grid so I felt it safe to connect in this manner. The generator connected via a 20 amp two pole breaker in the main panel, and there was power available for everything in the house - well pump, electric stove, all lights, etc. Generator neutral was floating as described above. Power supply was limited, they were careful not to overload and trip the generator breaker.

Q. At the same time I went to a friends home and after killing the main breaker and all 240 breakers ran a 3 wire cord from the generator 240 volt outlet direct to his pump, now isolated from the house panel using both 120 volt lines and ground. I then ran a 12 gauge 20 amp extension cord from the generator duplex outlet to a double male pig tail and back fed a kitchen outlet so he could have lights in the house. 1/2 the house to be exact. This was also a grounded neutral generator but we didn't have a problem. I did however drive a ground rod at the generator.



A. I think you were lucky this time. Electricity can be potentially dangerous and can kill and burn if not used correctly. Double male plugs should never be used as invariably there is exposed 120V on one end. If you miswire one end you can send 120V onto the neutral. At best this will trip a circuit breaker, but not knowing what else is done, could easily create a lethal voltage on the chassis of certain equipment. It gets back to doing something properly or not doing it at all. Why run the risk of personal injury or death?

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Dimmer: the green wire is for bonding (grounding or earthing) the metal face frame. Do not connect it to the black or red wires. There should be a bare or green wire coming into the box, or the box (if metal) should be grounded through a wire or metal conduit. If the box is metal and you find a bare wire connected to the box, disconnect that wire and replace it with a 6" + (i. e., long enough to extend 6" out of the box) bare wire pigtail. Connect the 6" wire and the green wire to the original bonding wire using a wire nut. The two black wires are electrically interchangeable; they connect the hot wire to the light fixture (in place of a switch).
Existing house wiring: this is a head scratcher. In US residential wiring, one might see a 3/1 non-metallic cable with a black, red and white wire plus a bare wire for bonding coming from a light fixture. This would be used in one of two ways. In one, the black would be hot, the red would be the switched wire to the light fixture, and the white would provide a neutral connection for lighting control devices that need it. In the other (possibly more applicable to your situation), the white would be marked with black tape and would serve either as the incoming hot or as the switched wire to the lighting fixture (the black would have the other function), and the red would serve as a second switched wire for a fan or other load. The wise thing to do would be to remove the lighting fixture and have a look at the other end of the cable - take special note of the connections going to the fixture(s). You are looking for the hot connection coming in to the fixture box and the switched wire going to the fixture. But two black wires? How is it possible to tell which one is which without turning on power? Is there a difference in insulation marking? Or are the connected together?
Another common configuration (and I think this is what you have) is to bring hot and neutral into the box from the branch wiring, then send the switched connection(s) out of the box, and tie the neutrals (white wires) together with a wire nut. (Look for the neutral connection inside the box; if you find one, the job is relatively simple) In this case, one of the black wires is the incoming hot (comes from the cable without the red wire but with the incoming neutral), the other black wire and the red wire go to the fixture in the other cable along with the outgoing white neutral wire. You still need to look at the fixture to find out whether it gets the black wire or the red wire. It is possible that one of the wires (most likely red) is a spare for possible use in a fan/light combination.
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if you are using a lead that has a active , a neutral and a ground wire in the lead , there is no real reason to ground the gen set itself
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the circuit is simple --active is the power wire --neutral is the return wire from the applications and the ground wire is for dead shorts and to prevent electrocution

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Here's a picture of a messy amateur installation:

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Look closely and find the power feeder conductors entering the panel on the bottom. The white rises up to the right and terminates in the "neutral" bus lug on the top right. The black also rises up to the right and terminates in the left "line" bus lug on the left. The red wire rises up to the left and terminates in the "line" bus lug on the right - just below the neutral lug. Finally, the ground rises left and terminates in a separate ground bar that is secured directly to the back of the upper left side of the panel box in pre-tapped holes for this purpose.

Since you are supplying this panel from your home's panel, you MUST keep the neutral and ground feeders separated in this panel (even though they will both probably originate from the neutral bar in your home's service panel). You must NOT install the long "bond" screw through the neutral bar in to the panel box. If the long bond screw is already installed, you must REMOVE it (usually this screw it shipped loose in a bag with a tag on it).

When the picture was taken, the flash reflected back making the right side of the neutral bar difficult to see - so I can't determine if the screw is installed there or not. When connecting circuits to this panel, the hot wires will of course go to the circuit breaker terminals, but the neutral and ground wires must not be mixed. The ground wires (and ONLY the ground wires) must terminate in the ground bar. The neutral wires (and ONLY the neutral wires) must terminate in the neutral bus bar. The person that wired this panel has mixed them. This would be a dangerous situation if the the long bond screw mentioned above is installed in the neutral bar to bond it to the panel box.

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