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Manual Got it at Church yard sale -- no manual. Top post accepts bobbin -- where does the spool of thread go?

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  • jasiu Aug 30, 2007

    I find there are 2 short knurled posts that you can pull up to mount a spool on. Clever disguise.

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There should be another post 2 inches directly behind the bobbin threader post. I tried to move the front post to the back, but they do not seem to remove, so I'm surprised yours doesn't have the back one. Does it look like there is an empty hole for a post? Have you tried threading it with the spool on the front (only one in your case :) ) post? I have the same model # 3537

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Hi there i have an Elna 5300 old i know but still going strong although i am having issues with loose threads underneath i have tried the following: Bobbin casing tension Top thread tension Cleaning out...

Loop and nesting on wrong (bottom) side is usually low or zero tension of top thread. Can also be uneven feed of top thread. If unsure whether top or bottom thread try a different color top thread.

With a horizontal spool, be sure the spool cap is larger than the spool and that the thread unspools falling forward over the top of spool and not towards the rear (see user manual).

Test top thread tension... with foot up set tension to 4 and make a long steady pull. Then lower foot and make another long steady pull. Note difference in zero tension (foot up) and tension setting 4 (foot down). If no difference then make sure there's no debris or thread stuck in tension discs.

You can make a long steady pull of bottom thread and it should have a tension similar to the top thread with tension select at 4.

Comment here for further assistance.
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Baby loc flourish embroidery machine, setting tension. Bird nesting and loops on top

Likely uneven feed (top thread snagging on spool). This machine has a horizontal spool so be sure the the spool cap is larger than the spool and double check with the manual on which way the thread is supposed to come off the spool... I believe it should fall forward, so if not then flip the spool.


Could also be top tension is extremely high.


Or possibly the bobbin thread has no tension... be sure to hold the bobbin spool with right index finger while you guide bobbin thread into slit. You should feel the bobbin thread slide underneath the bobbin case tension spring. See machine instructions.
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Free singer 2430 manual

Singer indicates that the 2430 to the Merritt 2404. The Merritt 2404 manual is available on the Singer support site: https://www.singer.com/support . The current link to this manual is https://www.singer.com/sites/default/files/product_manual/9bb8bc029ac33374a16f6ef37fdb37c14c7a8356_0.pdf . To wind the bobbin, make sure that the needle is up and lift the presser foot. Hold the hand wheel with one hand and keep it from moving. With the other hand, loosen the knob in the center of the hand wheel by turning the knob towards you. If the thread is not already on the spool pin, place it on the spool pin with the thread retaining slit to the right. Put the spool holder on the spool pin so that it holds the spool firmly.

Next snap the thread through the thread guide post and open the top cover. (If you have been sewing with the spool, unthread the upper thread back to the guide post.) Wrap the thread the bobbin tension disc going clockwise as you look at the top of the disc. (Bring the thread in front of the machine as you move to the left; then bring around to the back as you bring it to the bobbin winder.) Bring the thread up through the hole in the bobbin. Place the bobbin on the spindle with the hole up. Move the bobbin winder to the right. Hold onto the thread above the bobbin while you start winding the bobbin. After a few turns are on the bobbin, you can let go. After the bobbin is full (or full enough for your task), clip the thread and remove the bobbin. Move the bobbin winder to the left. Tighten the knob in the hand wheel by turning it away from you while holding the hand wheel.

I hope this helps.

Cindy Wells
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Bernina 750 QE bobbin issues. Top thread tangled up under fabric. It was wound so tight with bobbin case than when I was finally able to jiggle it out,the little metal wire pops off. Wire back on.

You are sure i'ts top thread (I've been fooled in past). Try a different bobbin thread color if possible. If it's bobbin thread then it's escaping the bobbin tension spring.


If top thread then likely tension too low or uneven feed. This machine has a horizontal spool pin. Be sure spool cap diameter is greater than the spool or try using the accessory vertical spool pin.


Test tension of top thread.
With needle up, presser foot up, and tension select = 4, thread machine. Then make a long slow steady pull of top thread. The thread should advance smoothly through needle eye without snagging from top spool. Now lower foot and make another long slow steady pull of thread. Again it should advance smoothly through the needle eye. Note difference no tension (foot up) and selected tension (foot down).


If no difference in foot up/down tension then something wrong with the tension selector or not threaded properly, consult machine manual.


You can do a similar test of bobbin thread tension. Make a slow steady pull of bobbin thread. It should advance smoothly from bobbin with tension similar to top thread with tension =4. If bobbin tension is similar to top thread foot up, then likely bobbin thread has escaped bobbin tension spring... reload bobbin per machine instructions.


If all above checks ok, then possibly the rotary hook has been damaged or debris in hook/race.

Comment below and I'll assist further if need be.
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Lower tension very loose

Loop and nesting on bottom side is usually a top thread tension or top thread feed issue. Be sure needle isn't barbed at tip. If your machine has a horizontal spool pin, be sure the spool cap is larger than the spool and the thread unwinds from spool per machine instructions.


See Singer video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7N4XaIV6ms


Test tension of top thread.
With needle up, presser foot up, and tension select = 4, thread machine. Then make a long slow steady pull of top thread. The thread should advance smoothly through needle eye without snagging from top spool. Now lower foot and make another long slow steady pull of thread. Again it should advance smoothly through the needle eye. Note difference no tension (foot up) and selected tension (foot down).


If no difference in foot up/down tension then something wrong with the tension selector or not threaded properly, consult machine manual.


You can do a similar test of bobbin thread tension. Make a slow steady pull of bobbin thread. It should advance smoothly from bobbin with tension similar to top thread with tension =4. If bobbin tension is similar to top thread foot up, then likely bobbin thread has escaped bobbin tension spring... reload bobbin per machine instructions.
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How to wind bobbin on model 4411

Do you mean the Singer 4411 Heavy Duty sewing machine? If so,
first place the spool on the spool pin with an appropriate sized spool holder, if you are starting the project. Snap the thread into the thread guide to the left of the of the spool pin. Wrap the thread clockwise around the bobbin winder tension discs (slightly to the left and forward of the thread guide). Bring thread towards the bobbin spindle. Thread the bobbin (put the thread through the hole in the bobbin). Place the bobbin on the spindle with the hole up. Move the bobbin spindle to the right. Hold onto the thread above the bobbin and step on the foot control pedal. When the bobbin finishes winding the thread, cut the thread at the top of the bobbin and the incoming thread from the spool. Move the bobbin spindle to the left and remove the bobbin. If you have already threaded the machine for sewing, you will need to remove it from the various guides and tension discs that are used in sewing. Then after winding the bobbin, re-thread the top thread.

The directions to wind the bobbin are in the manual on page 12 (page 19 of the PDF). You can find many Singer manuals at the Singer support page: https://www.singer.com/support . The 4411 support page is https://www.singer.com/search/support?lp=support&title=4411 . The current link to the manual is https://www.singer.com/sites/default/files/product_manual/SINGER%204411%20Heavy%20Duty%20Sewing%20Machine.pdf .

I hope this helps.

Cindy Wells
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I inherited my mother's Elna Lotus SP sewing machine. She had the sewing guide inside the machine, but not the instruction manual. I need to know how about the bobbin and how to thread?

Hi Jeanne, you might want to check out my tip on early Swiss Elnas,

http://www.fixya.com/support/r10602655-acquired_early_swiss_elna_sewing

it should help you get the Lotus going. Lovely machine. If you are in the USA you may also want to contact White Sewing Center as he may have this manual available for sale or a copy of it. www.whitesewingcenter.com.

Remember to use the Elna 7 hole dished metal bobbins, there are 7 holes on the top, and looks like this11_7_2011_6_23_57_am.jpg

Always wind it and insert it into the machine this way. Don't use any other bobbin. Standard needles 130/705H, flat shank to the back.

Check out my other tip on bobbin winding too, it is important to keep tension onto the thread spool that you are winding thread off as the machine doesn't tension the thread for you. So you need to apply pressure to the top of the thread spool as you wind off, use the curved handle of your scissors on the top of the spool.

Feel free to connect to me and ask if you have any other questions, I have a Lotus TSP at home and its almost identical to the SP. Happy stitching.
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The tension on the bobbin is giving big loops and then breaking

This could be one of the following:
  • wrong bobbin for the machine
  • bobbin loaded the wrong way - must rotate anticlockwise when you pull the thread
  • thread not into the tension spring/device on the bobbin holder correctly
  • bobbin wound badly, uneven tension, loose or uneven across the bobbin
  • poor quality or old dry brittle thread could cause the breaking (but the loops is definitely tension issues).
This is a top loading bobbin machine machine and you can download a manual from
http://www.singerco.com/accessories/manuals.html

Here is the threading diagram from the manual.

tally_girl_21.jpg It is important to click the thread down into the tension spring on all top loading bobbin machines and then pull gently on the thread to check that it is under tension, you should feel firm resistance when you pull the thread. If not, then take it out, and try again.

Other thing to look at is how the bobbin is wound. It is necessary to wind a bobbin smoothly and with some tension on the spool as the thread comes off it. Best analogy is the garden hose reel. If you wind it up and don't control where the hose goes onto the reel it will all lump up in the middle, and you won't get all the hose onto it. And then when you go to pull the hose out, it will jam and be difficult to pull. Same with bobbin thread. You want a nice neat even fill across the whole width of the bobbin, not just the middle. To achieve this make sure you use the bobbin winder tension disc when winding. Also use the spool cap on top of the thread spool to stop it from bouncing around as it unwinds - the thread will then wind off around the spool cap and this keeps it running smoothly and not twisting and jerking. If you don't have a spool cap then put the curved handle of a pair of scissors on top of the thread spool to tension it while you wind the bobbin. Also watch the bobbin as it winds, give the thread a nudge with your finger to control the fill onto the bobbin so it winds top, bottom and middle of the bobbin evenly.

I would suggest the following:
clean out the race following the manual directions to remove the bobbin holder, clean in this area, replace it. Wind a fresh bobbin and then load it into the machine, following the manual instructions carefully. Also thread the top of the machine following the manual, put in a new sharp needle from the pack, turn the top tension dial to a medium number (often 5 if dial goes from zero to 10).

Now test sew again. Look at the seam, if you have loops on the bottom of the fabric, underside, then the top thread tension is too loose or not in the top tension discs fully. Generally you should not need to adjust the tension on the bobbin thread for these machines.


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HOW TO THREAD THE BOBBIN

Take the thread-end from the thread spool to the left, around the bottom of the "silver" "button"; across the top of the button and back to the right to the bobbin winder.

Run the thread-end through a hole in the side of the bobbin spool, hold onto the thread (pull through about 5" of thread) and place the bobbin spool onto the the bobbin winding pin.

You may have to turn a bit to the left or right to get the spool in place. Push the bobbin spool to the right; against the bobbin winding wheel.

Press on the power pedal - keeping hold of the thread-end.

As the bobbin fills, the thead end will twist.

When you can not longer hold on. Stop the machine and clip the thread end then continue to wind the bobbin.

You can view and download a manual here (free) - http://www.brother-usa.com/manuals/default.aspx?PGID=3&R3ModelID=XL2230
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How do you thread the machine, top and bottom, please.

From the Simplicity Sew Precious Model SWSP2 manual:

Inserting a new bobbin:
  1. Place wound bobbin into the bobbin case.
  2. Pull about 6 inches of thread out from the bobbin.
NOTE: Be sure that the bobbin rotates COUNTER-CLOCKWISE when thread is pulled.
  1. Pass the thread from the bobbin, under the bobbin case spring, and toward the back of the machine.
  2. Slide bobbin cover back into position.

Upper threading:
  1. Turn the handwheel toward you to raise the take-up lever to its highest position.
  2. Lower the presser foot.
  3. Place a spool of thread and spool cap on the spool pin.
  4. Place the thread into the first thread guide at the top of the machine.
  5. Bring the thread down the right slot of the threading path, then around the tension dial. Push the thread tension release lever and pull the thread up so the thread is secure in the thread tension dial.
  6. Bring the thread up the left slot of the threading path and through the take-up lever from right to left.
  7. Bring the thread back down the left slot of the threading path and into the needle eye from front to back. (Clip the thread end with sharp scissors fro easier needle threading.)

Raising the bobbin thread
  1. Make sure the presser foot lever is raised.
  2. Hold the end of the needle thread with your left hand. Turn the hand wheel toward you with your right hand until the needle goes down once and comes back up, stopping when the needle is at its highest position.
  3. Gently pull up on the needle thread. The bobbin thread, looped around the needle thread, will be drawn up through the needle hole.
  4. Push the thread tension release lever and pull about six inches of both the upper and lower threads toward the back of the machine, placing them under the presser foot.

You can obtain a copy in pdf format for free at:
http://www.simplicityhomecare.com/ftp/whitepapers/SWSP2-english.pdf
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