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Crate tube amp will not power up but cooling fan tries to run

It's a crate 100 guitar amp. Tubes appear good, fuse is good, and I found 3 additional fuses underneath the board that are all good. Odd thing is the cooling fans sputters like it's getting some power. Any ideas?

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Yes.
Are you saying that the only indication that it is running at all is that the fans are running? So the tubes don't light up? No indicators on the front of the amp?
Power supplies that provide multiple voltages, which your amp has, can provide some of the voltages while having a problem that prevents them from providing others, all while not blowing a fuse. If you are not confident in your ability to work on a piece of electronic equipment that has 120VAC coming in and at least 175VDC or more present inside it, bring it to a service center.
The good news is that it is probably not horribly serious. Problems like this can almost always be repaired in a cost effective manner.

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