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Anonymous Posted on Jan 04, 2013

Bottom tension too loose and i have the top tension turned all the way to #9

After i turned the top tension to #9 and the bottom thread has knots, i loosen the bobbin tension which helped but then the top thread had knots and when i loosed the top tension button it went back to the bottom thread having knots.

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on May 29, 2007

SOURCE: needle will not pick up the bobbin thread

www.whitesewing.com try there web site

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Hassy

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  • Posted on May 23, 2008

SOURCE: WHITE Jeans Machine model 1475 thread tension problem

Ensure that all is clean and free of lint and jams, this is the most likely cause....now for tension troubleshooting .......

This solution is for tension problems...if you cannot form any sort of stitch, the issue is quite different, so please let me know if you need a different problem solved.....

It is quite long, but just work through each section in order.
The "knotting up" can reveal a lot. If you have loose threads on one side or the other, the tension on the opposite side will be the culprit.

QUICK SUMMARY FIRST:
Ensure sharp new needle,
Thread guides and Bobbin are Clean & Clear of lint
Set Top Tesion to 4 ....then....
Balance Bobbin to suit.

TOP THREAD TENSION:
If the looping threads are on the underside as you sew, it is the top tension. Top tension ought to be between 4 & 6 (this variation to allow for the different weights of fabric in your
projects).

IS YOUR NEEDLE SHARP ?
If you are using a needle that has seen quite a deal of work, or you suspect it may be blunt, change it for a new one !

TOP TENSION & GUIDES:
Make sure that when you thread the machine the presser foot is up so the thread goes between the discs and not to one side, top tension between 4 and 6, and that you have threaded through all the guides, including the last one, usually on the needle arm, just above the needle clamp.

It may be there is lint trapped between the discs, this will keep them slightly apart and reduce the actual tension, sometimes dramatically.

If tensions appear correct, and the thread is definitely in the channel between the discs, but still too loose and looping, try raising presser foot and remove your thread.

Now, with a 2" (50mm) wide strip piece of fabric 8 - 10" (20 - 25cm) moistened with methylated or denatured spirit, gently insert the fabric strip and clean between the discs with
a see saw / to and fro action.

In the worst cases, gentle use of a needle to pick & remove the jam may be necessary, but be very gentle and make sure the tension is set at Zero and the presser foot is raised, (to
disengage tension plates).... do not gouge or score the plates, they need a polished surface to work correctly.

BOBBIN TENSION:
Far less common, but if the loose threads are on the top, it is bobbin tension that is loose, it too may have lint in the spring and be giving a "false" tension.

I would not recommend fiddling with bobbin tension without good reason, it may end up with missing small screws and spring pieces, however, you can take the needle plate off to clean
the hook race area (where bobbin case sits)

...this is just good housekeeping, my wife does this every time she replaces the bobbin....

just take it out and clean the bobbin case and the fixed metal hook race with a small brush to remove lint. If there is a significant amount of lint, use a vacuum and small brush to get the worst.

Then wipe all this area with a cloth or cotton bud (Q tip) moistened (not soaked) with methylated spirit, especially if there appears to be fine dirty deposits....oil and lint combine to conspire against you.

If it seems likely that you ......really ....do .....actually .....need .....to adjust the bobbin case, first check there is no lint trapped in the metal spring where the thread is tensioned.

TOP LOADER:
Drop-in Bobbin case will look similar to this image with the tension screw in the middle of the metalwork....

4c76dc1.jpg ...the other screw at one end is holding it all together, so beware....it is not a tragedy to undo the whole lot and clean it, but very gingerly and lay the bits out in sequence and orientation, or you risk tearing your hair out !

FRONT LOADER:
....this is a bobbin case from a front loading machine and works in a very similar fashion to the top loader with drop in bobbin, again, if you dismantle it, take care so you can put it all
back properly.
165ca5c.jpg FINISHING UP
GETTING THE BALANCE RIGHT:
When you are certain there's no trapped lint in top tension or bobbin, set the top tension to 4 and the bobbin tension to a point where you just begin to feel resistance.

Try using good quality thread of contrasting colours so you can more easily spot the changes.

Set your zigzag to one width less than maximum (eg. 5 of 6 ...or... 4 of 5 etc) and sew a sample for a few inches and check the result.... adjust the bobbin tension screw very little at
a time, perhaps 1/16 of a turn.

You may find you are playing with this balance for some little while and if you are putting the needleplate on and off each time begin to think it cannot be correct to do this.....BUT....it is,
and eventually, you do get a "feel" for the correct tension and then it happens quite quickly.....as a user you won't be doing it very often unless there is lint built up (or are there small hands at work around the house !?!?!)

OTHER ISSUES:
If you live near the ocean as we do, salt air can play havoc with metalwork inside and out, so to help minimise this, keep a few small packets of dessicant (silica gel) in your machine
case....no case ? then make some sort of cover !

Same applies in any damp or humid environment, keep your machine dry and dust free.

Budget for a proper full service every couple of years (more often if heavily used) and if you don't use your machine for a few years, be aware that old oil will dry out and combining with
dust and form a "clag" like glue (another reason for some sort of cover, even a teatowel !)

FINALLY, A WORD ON THREAD:
If it is worth spending the time, energy and money on making something that you would like to give lasting enjoyment......use quality thread, .......it may seem to cost a little more at the
time, but the results, ease of use and added longevity will be worth the extra, and as a bonus, your tension troubles may be fewer and further between, because there is a more consistant diameter with good thread, and less compensating to be done by your tension plates and less thread breaks !

If you want any more help with this, just post back here, or, drop a line through the "Contact Us" page at www.bargainbox.com.au

Mimito7

Kelley Buchanan

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  • Posted on Apr 28, 2009

SOURCE: WHITE 2037 TENSION ISSUE...

Okie Dokie..... Here's the way I see it.. The repair center was of little or no help to you . So, I will try to do my best..
First thing you need to do is unthread your machine and set the tension to 4.. Rethread the machine up to just before the needle.
When you get that far, put the presser foot down. If your thread pulls right thru easily, it is not threaded thru the tension wheel right. It your thread is hard to pull thru with the presser foot down, then it is threaded right.

General rule of thumb..
Loops on the bottom-- problem on the top
loops on the top--- problem on the bottom.
Hope this helps..
Mimi

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Aug 28, 2009

SOURCE: bobbin won't wind correctly!!

Iam very picky about my bobbins!

make sure you are threading the machine for the bobbin correctly, In my opinion I don't think any machine really winds well.

What I do is hold the thread about an 1" away from the bobbin. start to wind and I guide the thread slowly up and down the bobbin so that it winds even

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Mark T

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  • Posted on Nov 23, 2009

SOURCE: My white speedylock 1600 is being difficult.. The

This machine has differential feed (top tension is different from bottom and fabric feed rate can be different from bottom). turn the dials for tension and feed rates to adjust. Adjust bottom tension to tighten bottom threads and possibly speed up bottom feed rate. Tough to say without more info.

Good luck and please rate me.

From White Sewing web site.

"Are wavy fabrics making you seasick? Do puckers leave a sour taste in your mouth? Then you need differential feed. It eliminates distortion and wavy seams when serging knits, plus it prevents puckers and pulled seams on lightweight fabrics. Turn the dial again for instant gathers.

Testimonial: "I believe that rethreading it again finally worked.. I did have to change the differential feed which helped alot.. Thank you for your guidance!!"

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That is a tension problem. The bobbin tension is probably too loose, or you need to increase top tension.

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If it doesnt bring bottom thread to top then the hook is not catching the top thread. I assume your able to bring bottom thread to top?

Bring bottom thread to top, place sample fabric under pesser foot, lower foot, then hold both top and bottom threads in left hand and manually turn handwheel with right hand and see if will stitch.

Dropped stitch(s) implies the top thread is not being wrapped around the bobbin. The rotary hook must catch the top thread as the needle rises, pull additional thread into and around the bobbin and release the top thread. Then the takeup arm pulls the extra top thread from underneath the bobbin and sets the stitch to the selected tension.

If with no fabric it brings bottom thread to top then it's not likely a timing issue but rather an interference or tension problem. Test top thread tension... foot up is no tension, foot down is selected tension and should be noticeable by simply pulling on the top thread and note the difference between foot up vs foot down.

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BOBBIN TENSION: BOB THE BOBBIN CARRIER AND BOBBIN WHILE ADJUSTING TENSION. WHEN IT WILL EXTEND ONE INCH IT IS RIGHT.
TOP TENSION: USUALLY A GOOD STARTING POINT IS THREE. THE TENSION IS RIGHT WHEN THE KNOT IS FORMED IN THE CENTER OF THE FABRIC.
TOP TOO TIGHT: WILL PULL EXCESS AMOUNT OF BOBBIN THREAD UP THROUGH THE FABRIC.
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you need to loosen the top tension. if you notice the tension is too loose on top and bottom at the same time then go ahead and tighten the bobbin tension a small amount. then you can adjust the tension of the top. if the top thread tension is too tight the thread from the bobbin will penetrate through. the opposite is true. if the top is too loose then too much of the top thread will penetrate the fabric underneath. remember to get the tensions between the top tension and bobbin tension equal so the knot will end in the middle of the fabric.
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My machine is jamming, the bottom threading gets way too loose. and jams the machine up. I dont have an manuel or any instructions.

Ironically, often times when the bobbin thread is knotting up, it's the top thread that needs the adjustment. Loos top thread thesion will tangle up in the bobbin cassing...Think about it for a minuted. Try a quarter turn to the right on your top tension and then go fro there. There could be a problem with the bobbon casing tension adjust screw and plate. but I doubt it...Nine times out of ten when the bobbon thread is tangles the top thread is too loose.
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It sounds to me as if your top thread tension is too loose or your bobbin thread tension is too tight. The top thread is tangling underneath and is probably making big loops. Consult your owners manual on how to adjust thread tensions.

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