In Search Of The IDE Ribbon

The PATA interface was originally designed as a 40-pin system and still is. The ribbon cables were originally 40-wire cables. A special type of cable with 80 wires was then created to improve data throughput rates. Note that the number of pins remains 40, with a special type of ribbon connector connecting ground to 40 wires internally. The ground connections are placed between each of the data carriers to reduce cross-talk and allow up to 3 times faster operation. ATA33 is supported by 40-wire connection, ATA66 & ATA100 require 80-wire. Motherboards can check the speed of the data throughput to determine if a 80-pin cable is being used. Some BIOS setup options allow for this feature to be turned off. The HDD or DVD must support ATA66 or higher to work at the higher speed of a 80-wire cable.If you connect a slow hard disk or DVD drive on the same ribbon as a fast hard disk then the system will default to the slower speed. You also need to make sure the master and slave are connected to the correct connectors on the cable.
Firstly try each drive separately to see if the 80-pin error goes away.
Rather than master/slave on one cable, try each hard drive as a master on separate cables (IDE1 & IDE2).
Secondly, the boot partition may have corrupt data preventing boot. You should check both hard drives for errors by connecting to another PC if possible. This would also allow you to back up any important files so that you can re-install the operating system if required.

1) IDE {PATA} DVD burner drive:

For an IDE { PATA } DVD burner, connect to the 40-pin IDE header on the motherboard. This is located to the right side of the Ram Memory slots.
It is the longer header that has 40 contact pins. {39 actually}

( The shorter connector on the motherboard is for a Floppy Drive.
{34 pins} It is above the IDE 40-pin connector )

NOTE*
The IDE connector on the motherboard should be keyed. Should have a cutout on one side. This is so the Number 1 pin in the flat IDE ribbon cable, will line up with Number 1 pin in the motherboard connector.

Some flat IDE ribbon cables, do not have a Locating Lug on the connector. (Small rectangular 'bump')

Number 1 pin on the IDE ribbon cable will be on the side that has a faint RED stripe on it.

Number 1 pin in the motherboard connector is at the Bottom, with the motherboard installed.

The side of the flat ribbon IDE cable that has the faint red stripe on it, goes DOWN, when installed in the motherboard connector.

If the DVD drive does not have a cutout for it's circuit board, the faint red stripe of the flat ribbon IDE cable, goes towards the power cable connection.

2) SATA DVD burner drive:
You have 4 Serial ATA headers (Connectors) on the motherboard.
Your SATA harddrive should be plugged into the SATA1 header.

You can choose any open available SATA header, to plug your SATA DVD burner drive into.
BIOS will see it once you turn the computer on.

3) If you somehow have been using an IDE {PATA} harddrive, and have it connected to your IDE connector on the motherboard, you SHOULD not use a DVD drive on that flat IDE ribbon cable, also.

BIOS has to find which device has the Operating System on it, (Windows), and then hand the computer over to the Operating System.

To state again, BIOS will look at both devices connected to that flat ribbon cable. The Harddrive, and the DVD drive.
It will then determine that the Harddrive, is the device that has Windows on it, not the DVD drive.

This slows the computer down, and could result in a blue screen.

If you have an IDE harddrive plugged into the motherboard, it would be best to use a SATA DVD drive.


For additional questions please post in a Comment.
Regards,
joecoolvette

Standard IDE (PATA) HDD connection is 44 pins for a laptop.

(40-pins for a desktop IDE harddrive. Only 39 are used, though. One pin is removed)

http://www.av8n.com/computer/htm/disk-pinout.htm

What manufacturer, and model of HDD, do you have that has 47 pins?
(48 with one pin removed?)

http://pinouts.ru/HD/Ata44Internal_pinout.shtml

SO, the question is,....what is that 47-pin Harddrive?

Post back in a Comment.

Regards,
joecoolvette

You want to remove the hard disk from old computer, connect it to the enclosure, and connect it externally to the new computer, right?
Now you have a problem connecting hard disk to the enclosure.
Usually there are no SATA/IDE enclosures. They are either IDE or SATA.
If the data connector in the hard disk (HDD) is rectangular with around 40 pins inside, it is an IDE HDD. Else if it has L shaped horizontal connector, it is a SATA HDD.
I suggest you to take the hard disk to the store and ask for a matching enclosure. If you bought the wrong one, they might replace it with the correct one.
If you feel you want to do it yourself, let us know. However an IDE HDD cannot be connected to a SATA enclosure and vise versa.
I sincerely hope you will get to copy the required files to your new computer. However before copying, it is better to install a reliable virus guard.

I don't know where the trouble is without more information.
Some tips/information I will list, however,

1) The master harddrive that came with the computer, and has the operating system on it, is a SATA unit.

Therefore any harddrive installed along with it has to be installed as a Slave drive.

BIOS will look for the harddrive with the operating system on it. This harddrive has to be set as a Master drive. (Primary Drive in BIOS)

Installing a harddrive that is a PATA (IDE) unit, AND a PATA optical drive on the same flat ribbon cable, has to be done accordingly;

A) It depends on what flat ribbon cable you have.
There is a 40 wire cable with a 40 pin connector. (39 actually. One socket hole is not used)

There is an 80 wire cable with a 40 pin connector. (39 actually)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ATA_cables.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA#IDE_and_ATA-1

Proper method of connecting,

http://www.mikeshardware.com/howtos/howto_connect_ide_hd.html

2) Proper method of using jumpers on an IDE (PATA) harddrive, and connecting the flat ribbon cable,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4inX3nC6M1E


Regards,
joecoolvette

Yes, all IDE 2.5-inch disk-drives use the same pin-out. SATA-interface disk-drives have quite-different interfaces than IDE drives, but all SATA devices share a common interface.

You generally only need 2 connections for an optical drive to work: Data and Power. Data will be either IDE (long 40 pin ribbon cable) or SATA (small [~1/2"] 'L' shaped connection for a much thinner ribbon cable).
Power will be either Molex (4-pin connector with red, black, black, yellow wires) or a SATA power connector that looks like a larger version of the SATA data connector).

All other connections are not needed, such as the small 4 pin audio connection which usually hooks up to the motherboard or sound card, but is only needed for analog playback of audio disks.

Hi LP,
I’ am very familiar with ASUS motherboards. I am thinking you have posted two questions or more referring to the,
ASUS K8V-MX board. When you sign into you're FixYa account you than need to click on you're profile. Within you're profiles are the questions you have posted. Click that question to add or see the expert's answer. If you need another question (about the same item) re-post within that same question. You can even copy the link to an older post & past that link into you're next question. (Than I can read you're last question & my responce).
LP you have me all mixed up. I'll answer the question you have posted above. In the future please provide you're old post so I understand better.

There is nothing wrong with IDE 250GB drive or the SATA drive.
The problem you are haveing is setting the correct settings.

The ASUS K8V-MX can support two serial ATA SATA drives. The SATA drive's can only run at 1.0 version. 1.5GB transfer speed & not SATA II, the 3.0GB speed.

How to setup the SATA drive?
Please disconnect any other drives (IDE) & a second SATA drive that may be connected to the system. Except the CDROM drive.
Using you're manual the SATA drive should be connected to SATA1 port. Page 1-24 in you're manual.
Put you're windows CD into you're CD-ROM drive & boot the PC. You will see, Press any key to boot from CD... (press any key on your keyboard). Windows will start to install. Durring installation of windows the system will restart. You will again see, Press any key to boot from CD... (DO Nothing)!
Just allow windows to conintue on its own. Windows will continue to install it's self. This will happed once again, & again do nothing. Windows will finish installing it's self.
After windows has finished, load the ASUS CD into you're CD-ROM drive & install it's driver software. Restart the PC.
You must register windows. Do so.
Than update windows through windows update service. (This will take some time to complete). (Do not install service pack 3).
If you have an IDE drive 250GB in size & you installed windows on it. You must erase the drive or it will conflict with you're new installation on the SATA drive. To do this, look on the IDE drive & you will find a large white sticker. Printed on there is instructions of how to set the drive pin. Set the drive up as a slave drive. (This is only temporary).
Power off the PC & unplug the power cord. Connect the 250 IDE drive's power cable & data cable. Plug in the power cord to the PC & turn on the PC. Windows will load. Right click once on the start button & slide up to & left click on Explorer.
Find the 250 IDE drive, it should be drive letter D or E. Right click the proper drive letter & format the drive.
( Do Not format, Local_Drive C:\ ). Once the format is complete, power down the PC by clicking on the start button & click turn off the computer. Once off, unplug the power cord. Change the pin on the 250GB IDE drive to Master with a slave. Take the 40GB drive & change it's pin so the 40GB drive is a slave.
Connect the 250GB drive to the end of the IDE data cable & connect the 40GB drive to the next connector of the same IDE data cable. Re-check all power cables & data cables for good connections before closing the case. Plug the power cord in & power up the PC. Everything should run just fine.
Setting the pin for you're IDE drive's can be very confusing. Click on the link below. This will give you an idea of how to set you're pin for a master drive, master with a slave drive. If you post the name ST****** of you're two drives I can post the correct pin locations from Seagate's web site.
http://www.seagate.com/images/support/en/us/mxo_ata_jumpers.gif

Have more questions about this post?
Good luck!
Mike

Not complete product...need to buy additional adapter for IDE to SATA power source.
IDE drive will have to have the power source hooked up as well as the adaptor hooked up.
Installing the adaptor only will not work. Your computer should have the 4 pin plug for the power to the IDE drive, other wise you will have to buy another adaptor.

Ok, I have seen some recorders that do use IDE cables, but sorry about that. I saw this model listed at http://www.partstore.com but I did not see the cable. I bet if you call them at 1-866-925-PART, they can get it for you. Good Luck and sorry about the misunderstanding. Ps Please dont forget to rate this thread.