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My 2003 softail won't start or idle without using choke or throttle, runs fine at speed with throttle but letting off throttle kills it every time. thought about idle mixture screw, but I come from a mindset that it is never the carb. any ideas. P.S. I've never had a bike less than twenty years old, so I am not familliar with this stock carb. thanks, Tim

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Sounds like the carbs idle circuit are clogged from sitting or bad fuel . Try Some carb cleaner in it an see what it does after a tank fuel . Or take to a Harley shop to let a tech check the carbs an maybe give it a tune-up.

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Carby carby carby!
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