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Will a bad tssm cause a bike to not turn over @

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Hi, Don before testing any electrical component in the Starting Circuit it is "IMPERATIVE" that you have a fully charged battery of 12.5 volts or more and be able to pass a proper "LOAD" test if necessary, you may have a preliminary reading of 12.5 volts or more but little or zero amperage, the battery is faulty and must be replaced. AGM type batteries fall into this scenario more so than lead-acid batteries.
1. Ignition Switch not in the "ON" position.
2. Engine Run Switch in the "OFF" position.
3. Engine Run Switch is "FAULTY" or corroded.
4. Check the battery terminals for damage or corrosion check the battery cables at "BOTH" ends for loose, corroded, or broken connectors, "INSIDE" and outside the cable harness, perform connector wiggle test and check cables with an ohmmeter.
5. Bank angle sensor needs a reset or is faulty.
6. FOB battery low or dead.
7. Faulty ignition switch.
8. Faulty starter button.
9. Faulty kickstand, clutch, neutral safety switch.
10. Security alarm needs a reset.
11. Starter relay, solenoid, starter motor or circuit wiring faulty.
12. Starter armature or field coils have failed.
13. Main fuse or circuit breaker may be blown or faulty.
14. Faulty ignition relay.
15. The electric starter is working but starter clutch has failed.
16. Check for engine trouble codes.
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SOURCE: 2003 Wideglide check engine light (bad TSSM?)

I would not replace anthing yet! An intermittent light could mean that you simply have a wiring short! Get someone to help by watching your engine light, start your bike and do a wriggle test oun your wiring harness. You may find it to be no more than a simple wiring problem at the connector. You said there are no stored codes and the bike is running fine? No missing of sputtering? If not I would think the problen is no more than a possible temporary short in the wiring at the sensors

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The security system can be armed automatically by the TSSM when the bike is shut down or manually by the use of the fob and it can be turned off automatically by having the fob within range when the ignition is turned on or by entering the PIN or personal code.

The security system lamp in the speedometer head confirms the status of the system as armed or disarmed.

The range within which the fob will work is dependent on the environmental and geographic conditions so the fob should be held at about waist level and horizontal to the tssm and pointed at the front of the bike with the fob button held down until both of the turn signals flash twice which indicates that the TSSM has responded to the fob and the security system has been activated. To disarm the system the fob should also be held at about waist level and horizontal to the TSSM and pointed at the front of the bike and the fob button rapidly pressed two times within 1.5 seconds after which if the TSSM has responded and turned off the security system the signal lights will flash one time.

The fob is synchronized to the particular TSSM and the fob button should not be pressed very often when it is away from the bike because this might cause it to become de-synchronized to the particular TSSM which would require that the fob button be pressed and held within range of the TSSM for 10 to 15 seconds or until it is re-synchronized and the signal lights flash two times in response.

The personal code (PIN) consists of five numbers or digits each of which can be any number from 1 to 9 that are individually entered into the security system by using the left and right turn signal switches. This number can be used to disarm the security system without the fob. If an error is made while entering the PIN the TSSM will activate the alarm for 30 seconds after the fifth digit is entered and the security lamp will flash every second for ten minutes and there cannot be any further attempts to enter the code during this ten minute period.

The way to enter a personal code is to set the RUN/OFF switch to OFF, turn the IGNITION key to ACC, hold both turn switches in until the security lamp blinks at a fast rate to confirm that the security system is ready for personal code entry, THEN enter the first PIN digit (number) by pressing the left turn switch button a number of times equal to the value of the first digit of the PIN, i.e. for 1 press once for 2 press twice etc., then press the right turn signal switch button 1 time to enter the first number, THEN press the left turn signal switch button the number of times that is equal to the second number of the PIN, followed by pressing the right turn signal switch button 1 time to enter the second number, then press the left signal light switch button the number of times equal to the third number of the PIN followed by pressing the right signal light switch button one time to enter the third number of the PIN, THEN press the button of the left turn signal light switch a number of times equal to the number of the fourth PIN number followed by pressing the right signal light switch button once to enter the fourth PIN number, THEN press the left signal light switch button the number of ties that is equal to the fifth number of the PIN followed by pressing the right turn signal switch button one time to enter this final number of the PIN at which point the security lamp in the speedometer head will stop flashing and the signal lights will flash once to confirm that the security system has been disarmed.

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The security system lamp in the speedometer head confirms the status of the system as armed or disarmed.

The range within which the fob will work is dependent on the environmental and geographic conditions so the fob should be held at about waist level and horizontal to the tssm and pointed at the front of the bike with the fob button held down until both of the turn signals flash twice which indicates that the TSSM has responded to the fob and the security system has been activated. To disarm the system the fob should also be held at about waist level and horizontal to the TSSM and pointed at the front of the bike and the fob button rapidly pressed two times within 1.5 seconds after which if the TSSM has responded and turned off the security system the signal lights will flash one time.

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The way to enter a personal code is to set the RUN/OFF switch to OFF, turn the IGNITION key to ACC, hold both turn switches in until the security lamp blinks at a fast rate to confirm that the security system is ready for personal code entry, THEN enter the first PIN digit (number) by pressing the left turn switch button a number of times equal to the value of the first digit of the PIN, i.e. for 1 press once for 2 press twice etc., then press the right turn signal switch button 1 time to enter the first number, THEN press the left turn signal switch button the number of times that is equal to the second number of the PIN, followed by pressing the right turn signal switch button 1 time to enter the second number, then press the left signal light switch button the number of times equal to the third number of the PIN followed by pressing the right signal light switch button one time to enter the third number of the PIN, THEN press the button of the left turn signal light switch a number of times equal to the number of the fourth PIN number followed by pressing the right signal light switch button once to enter the fourth PIN number, THEN press the left signal light switch button the number of ties that is equal to the fifth number of the PIN followed by pressing the right turn signal switch button one time to enter this final number of the PIN at which point the security lamp in the speedometer head will stop flashing and the signal lights will flash once to confirm that the security system has been disarmed.

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So, you didn't hit the "kill swith". LOL Ok.

It sounds like something is tripping your main circuit breaker. A circuit breaker will act like that. When something shorts out, it will cause a high current draw which causes the element in the circuit breaker to heat up and trip. Once it trips, it takes a few minutes for it to cool but once it cools, it resets itself. I prefer this to a fuse which blows and then you've got to have a replacement. If you don't have a replacement, you're just stuck there until you find one.

Now, you may have a short which is not unusual on a dresser since there are so many wires running to the front end under the fairing. Look for a bare wire right where the wires go into the fairing from the frame. There is a lot of flexing motion at that point and a high probablility of a wire rubbed bare.

Have you added any extra accessories to the bike? If so, you may have overloaded the main circuit. Seems that bike has a 30 amp main breaker in it. If you added another set of highway lights or something like that, you may have exceeded the maximum current handling capability of the wiring harness and the breaker is tripping to protect the harness.

If you have a wiring diagram, check for devices that run off the main breaker only. The rest of the stuff should have it's own fuses and if you're not blowing any of those, it sounds like something on the main breaker alone.

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