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Mel Vaughn Posted on Nov 30, 2015
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Starts with full choke. however requires additional throttle assist. stalls when choke closed (motor warmed)

Believe this is a fuel to motor issue ie fouled fuel filter?

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Hi Mel:
I'd tend to agree with you that it is a fuel supply issue.
Some ideas:
- Make sure the fuel filter is clean and that fuel flows freely through it.
- I'd drain the gas tank and carb.
- Fill the gas tank with fresh gas.
- Flush the carb.
At this point if it doesn't run properly you can try backing out the mixture screw 1/2 turn to see if riching it up will help. If t does not, I'd be looking at dis-mantling and cleaning the carb as it could possibly be gummed up.
- What is the history that got you to this problem? Bike sitting for a long time? Something had to have happened between when it ran good, and when it started giving you grief. That will isolate the problem.
Cheers.

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Check the choke. Typically these are automatic types on most new mowers. The choke is closed during cold starts then automatically open as the engine warms (think of it like a car that fast-idles in the winter, then slows down as it warms...it's not exactly the same thing, but in theory works on the same principle).
What could be happening with your problem is that the choke is stuck closed or partially closed, and remains closed after the engine warms. When the choke is closed when the engine is warm, it floods the engine with fuel and stalls (and can be difficult to restart, if you can get it to restart).


To test if this is your issue, operate it until it's warm and quits. Remove the air filter and check that the butterfly valve at the top of the carburetor is open. If it's closed, open it all the way (might have to put a screwdriver, or something in there to hold it open), then try to restart it. If it's open all the way, there is likely a fuel flow restriction to the carb, or in the carb, but these problems typically cause problems running the engine hot or cold.

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My MTD Yard Machine Y2500 starts fine and works with the choke partly closed. It also idles fine with the choke fully closed but stalls when I press on the throttle when the choke is fully closed.

when the choke is fully closed your choking the fuel out,, thats why when you give i t gas it dies , its not supposed to run with the choke on and getting fuel , use the choke only until the motor warms up to operating temp,, then open it,, and you should be fine,
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If you are finding you need to keep the choke on longer.....you may have a lean mixture than normal.nother
Start by inspecting the carb and intake manifolds for any leaks (loose fittings....cracked hoses) that could be drawing in air, leaning the mixture.

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1. Do the simple stuff first, Check spark plug, air filter and clean or replace if necessary.
2. Remove air filter cover, open choke and spray out the carb with carb cleaner.
3. Inspect carb and look for a flat surfaced screw with a small V notch on the side of it. It will be on the top side just forward of where the fuel lines connect. If you find it don't waste any more time looking for the High and Low fuel adjustment screws (there aren't any) this is the only adjustment other than the throttle adjustment screw you'll find.
4. Start your blower allow time for it to warm up and advance choke as far open as you can without stalling motor (mine just suddenly wouldn't run in anything other than full choke).
5. With motor running, adjust the screw to improve operation. Depending on your initial choke setting you may have to adjust, open choke to next position and fine tune.
6. Note- clockwise reduces fuel to carb, while counter clockwise increases it (if it's stalling when you attempt to throttle up it's starved for fuel) I'm sure there's a tool designed so that some tech can charge you 100.00 to turn the adjustment screw 1/4 turn but I found that a pair of fine needle nose pliers did just fine. Pay attention to original position of the V notch and what adjustments you make ( I tend to make 1/4 turns and fine tune from there) so you can always go back to your starting point. Note I'm not a technician so I can't say this the fix for your machine but it worked on mine.
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