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Drivers power window controls will not lower front windows but will lower rear windows. Also the passengers front window control will not lower the window. is the power to the front passenger side controls routed through the drivers window control panel?

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Should check all fuses and relays...Including those stored in the fuse panel under the hood. If they are all good, then there is most likely a problem with the power accuator motor / Window Lift Motor or the power control switch inside the drivers door.

To answer your continued portion of your question? Most of todays cars offer the driver the option to open and close all windows from the drivers control panel... Although the first part of your question seems to make that statement null. In other words, you should check your fuses first. before deciding that you need new switched or lift motors for both doors...

This could very well be a fuse problem

Actually I'd be curious to learn if any new features were recently added to the vehicle. such as a stereo, speakers, cd player or an amplifier etc... Since the installer may have not so much tapped into the wrong power feed, in as much as perhaps caused a knick or break in your other wires... Of course this may not be the case at all in the event no such items were recently installed.


Hopefully you find something useful in this

Good Luck and Happy Motoring

Respectfully

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NOTE: The accessory delay feature will allow power window operation up to 10 minutes after the ignition is off or until a door is opened.
If equipped with power windows, the window control switch (14529):
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  • is located on each front door trim panel, and Crew Cab and Excursion rear door trim panel.
  • may be used to raise or lower the driver side, passenger side and rear windows from the LF control on the driver side, or the passenger window from the passenger switch.
  • includes a one-touch down (OTD) feature for the driver door window.
  • can partially lower the driver side window when the LF window control switch is depressed half way (first detent).
  • will completely lower the driver side window when the LF window control switch is fully depressed and then released (second detent).
Power Window System — Modes of Operation
There are two modes of operation for the power window system.
Manual Mode
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  • The LH window control switch is pushed to the OTD position, causing the windows to enter auto mode.
Auto Mode
Auto mode provides the OTD feature. The OTD feature is activated when the LH window control switch, for the LH window, is pressed to the second down position.
Auto mode will be terminated when any of the following conditions are met:
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  • The LH window control switch is released (OFF position) and then moved to the DOWN position (first detent) or OTD position (second detent).
  • Note: Delayed accessory feature must be active.
The OTD feature is controlled by the window control switch.

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Condition Possible Sources Action
  • All power windows are inoperative
  • Fuse(s).
  • Circuitry.
  • LF window control switch.
  • Accessory delay relay.
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This may be just a case of inadvertently hitting the window lock out n th driver door window switch by mistake. Check that first. Here's some background on window operation

Principles of Operation
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The driver power window regulator motor is a reversible motor that is operated by applying power and ground to the motor leads to lower the window, and then reversing polarity on those leads to raise the window.
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The passenger power window regulator motor is a reversible motor, which is operated by applying power and ground to the motor leads to lower the window, and then reversing polarity on those leads to raise the window.
The power rear quarter glass is also directly controlled by the master window/door lock/unlock switch. The power rear quarter glass power latches also utilize reversible motors. The power rear quarter glass power latches are operated by applying power and ground to the motor leads to open the window, and then reversing polarity on those same leads to close the window.
Symptom Chart Condition Possible Sources Action
  • All windows are inoperative
  • BJB Fuse:
    • F20.
  • Circuit.
  • Power window relay.
  • Front door power window switch.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test A .
  • Single power window is inoperative
  • Front door power window switch.
  • Front door power window regulator.
  • Circuit.
  • Driver door power window switch.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test B .
  • Vent power window is inoperative — quarter window glass power latch
  • Circuit.
  • Quarter window glass switch.
  • Quarter window glass power latch.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test C .
  • The one touch down feature is inoperative
  • Master window regulator and door lock switch.
  • INSTALL a new master window/door lock/unlock switch. REFER to Switch—Master Window Door Lock/Unlock .
  • The back window will not defrost
  • CJB Fuses:
    • F30 (10A).
    • F32 (20A).
    • F34 (20A).
  • BJB Fuse:
    • F27 (45A)
  • Circuit.
  • Heated back window switch.
  • SEC/timer module.
  • Rear window defrost relay.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test D .
  • The back window defrost will not shut off automatically
  • SEC/timer module.
  • Circuit.
  • Rear window defrost relay.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test E .

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