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Belt ended up smoking then finally breaking apart. Put new belt tensioner due to belt was melted to the pulley. Installed new belt. All looked good, but when starting car, the belt started smoking and began to burn onto the belt tensioner pulley and the belt is extremely hot. What is causing the problem and how can I fix it? Thanks
Thanks for the help. I have one pully that doesnt seem to turn. It is on the lower end next to the A/C compressor pully. When I try to remove the bolt, the pully turns with it but seems like it is attached to something internal. Is this the crankshaft pully? I took a pic of it but unsure how to post it to show what pulley wont turn with my hands. All the other pulley's turn (with the exception of one smooth like pulley that is not ribbed--and it is not the tensioner pulley).Thanks for the help. I have one pully that doesnt seem to turn. It is on the lower end next to the A/C compressor pully. When I try to remove the bolt, the pully turns with it but seems like it is attached to something internal. Is this the crankshaft pully? I took a pic of it but unsure how to post it to show what pulley wont turn with my hands. All the other pulley's turn (with the exception of one smooth like pulley that is not ribbed--and it is not the tensioner pulley).
Mustgo---The A/C, nor the defrost was and or is being used. Is there any other way that the compressor would engage and cause the problem?Mustgo---The A/C, nor the defrost was and or is being used. Is there any other way that the compressor would engage and cause the problem?
I have tried to post a pic of the smooth pulley that doesnt turn at all. The non-ribbed side of the belt goes under it and over the pulley to the left of it. Is the smooth pulley supposed to turn. What is the description of that pulley? Thank you all for being patient and helping me out. http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy288...I have tried to post a pic of the smooth pulley that doesnt turn at all. The non-ribbed side of the belt goes under it and over the pulley to the left of it. Is the smooth pulley supposed to turn. What is the description of that pulley? Thank you all for being patient and helping me out.
http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy288/icntdrve55/Pulley1.jpg
jsmes--I kind of thought it was the pulley with the water pump and have looked up that wp thru different manufacturers. When i look at the pics of the pulley it looks alot smaller and thinner than what is on the vehicle. I dont want to spend the money on the wp if it is not gonna be the same pulley.jsmes--I kind of thought it was the pulley with the water pump and have looked up that wp thru different manufacturers. When i look at the pics of the pulley it looks alot smaller and thinner than what is on the vehicle. I dont want to spend the money on the wp if it is not gonna be the same pulley.
I got the wp, in the photo below is the item closest to us a bearing where the pulley in the previous pic goes over? Also, I read that I need to drain the cooling system, is that much of a hassle? [IMGhttp://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy288...[/IMG]I got the wp, in the photo below is the item closest to us a bearing where the pulley in the previous pic goes over? Also, I read that I need to drain the cooling system, is that much of a hassle?
[IMG]http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy288/icntdrve55/Waterpump1.jpg[/IMG]
Just got the water pump changed. Every pulley is now turning and the car seems to be running great. I didnt drain the radiator, but just pulled the wp off and not much antifreeze leaked out. I did forget to try the heater and check the fluid again, but will do that in a little bit. Thank you all for your help getting to the bottom of my problem. Just hope nothing else goes on it. It only has 58,000 miles on it and is my son's first car from his 97 yr old great grandpa and hope it has many years left in it. Thanks again!Just got the water pump changed. Every pulley is now turning and the car seems to be running great. I didnt drain the radiator, but just pulled the wp off and not much antifreeze leaked out. I did forget to try the heater and check the fluid again, but will do that in a little bit. Thank you all for your help getting to the bottom of my problem. Just hope nothing else goes on it. It only has 58,000 miles on it and is my son's first car from his 97 yr old great grandpa and hope it has many years left in it. Thanks again!
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Re: Belt is burning onto the belt tensioner pulley
One of the pulleys is bad and is not spinning.You will need to remove the belt and spin each one to see which one is locked up or very difficult to turn. The only pully you will not be able to turn should the crankshaft pully all others should spin relatively easy.
The crankshaft pully should be the the pully at the bottom of the engine and in the center.The other pully your describing as smooth not grooved is probably an idler pully.They only other smooth pully on that I can recall is the waterpump which should on top towards the front of the engine.The crankshaft pully should be the the pully at the bottom of the engine and in the center.The other pully your describing as smooth not grooved is probably an idler pully.They only other smooth pully on that I can recall is the waterpump which should on top towards the front of the engine.
A very good picture and gets right to the souurce of your issue.Definitely the waterpump.A very good picture and gets right to the souurce of your issue.Definitely the waterpump.
That particular pulley is held in place by those four 10mm headed bolts.The replacement waterpump is not to costly of a repair. If you remove that pulley there should be 5 5/16 headed bolts holding the waterpump in place.You may need to use a block of wood and a hammer to dislodge the pump after the 5 bolts are removed. Make sure to thoroughly scrape any old gasket material left of the waterpump housing so you do not have a leak after replacing the pump. Usually with the new pump I line the new gasket up on the pump first then apply a thin coat of weatherstrip adhesive to hold the gasket on the waterpump in place while bolting the new pump in. That particular pulley is held in place by those four 10mm headed bolts.The replacement waterpump is not to costly of a repair. If you remove that pulley there should be 5 5/16 headed bolts holding the waterpump in place.You may need to use a block of wood and a hammer to dislodge the pump after the 5 bolts are removed. Make sure to thoroughly scrape any old gasket material left of the waterpump housing so you do not have a leak after replacing the pump. Usually with the new pump I line the new gasket up on the pump first then apply a thin coat of weatherstrip adhesive to hold the gasket on the waterpump in place while bolting the new pump in.
Best thing to do would be to remove the pulley.The you'll see the the pump is not very big on this particular vehicle. The face of the waterpump once that pulley is removed is about 1/4" thick.The bearings themselves are all housed in the pump and the pump is recessed into a housing. Best thing to do would be to remove the pulley.The you'll see the the pump is not very big on this particular vehicle. The face of the waterpump once that pulley is removed is about 1/4" thick.The bearings themselves are all housed in the pump and the pump is recessed into a housing.
The bearing should be right where the shaft front part of wp is actually pressed together where the two pieces in the pic actually meet. You can drain it if you can get the pit **** open.If you don't I would advise putting a catch pan underneath where you will be working to catch the antifreeze. If the antifreeze is still good you can reuse it as long as it is not really contaminated.The bearing should be right where the shaft front part of wp is actually pressed together where the two pieces in the pic actually meet. You can drain it if you can get the pit **** open.If you don't I would advise putting a catch pan underneath where you will be working to catch the antifreeze. If the antifreeze is still good you can reuse it as long as it is not really contaminated.
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Re: Belt is burning onto the belt tensioner pulley
It sounds like you have a bearing or pulley that is seized up.Remove the belt and try turning all the pulleys by hand and see which one is not turning.Let me know what you find good luck.
Yes the one next to the a/c compressor is the crank shaft pulley.When you turn this one you are turning the whole motor.Sometimes the pulley has to have a load on it for it to bind.What you might have to do is install the belt and have someone start the vehicle and while it is running you will need to look and see if you can see what pulley is causing the problem.Could be either and idler pulley,tensioner.or the alternator.Let me know what you find.
Yes the one next to the a/c compressor is the crank shaft pulley.When you turn this one you are turning the whole motor.Sometimes the pulley has to have a load on it for it to bind.What you might have to do is install the belt and have someone start the vehicle and while it is running you will need to look and see if you can see what pulley is causing the problem.Could be either and idler pulley,tensioner.or the alternator.Let me know what you find.
I checked out your picture and yes this is the water pump pulley.You will need to replace the water pump.As far as draining the cooling system what I did was first make sure the system is cooled down and remove the hose by the water pump.This is the lower hose.The coolant will drain out .Then remove the bolts from the pulley before you remove the belt.This makes it easier to remove the bolts.The pulley will slip some when you go to remove the bolts but they will come off.They are a 10 mm metric bolt.The bolts on the pump are 8mm bolts or 5/16 will work.Make a mark on the old water pump and make a mark on the new one in the same place so you put the new pump in the correct position.Once you get the bolts out make sure and scrape the gasket off.I use a razor blade scraper that works really good.Make sure and do not gouge the gasket surface on the timing cover.Remove the radiator cap and loosen the bleeder screws and fill the cooling system til coolant comes out of the bleeder screws then close them and add til the radiator is full.Put the heater controls on hot and floor heat.start the vehicle and feel til the air starts feeling warm and then hot.Make sure you fill the over flow bottle to the hot mark.Then let it cool down on it`s own for a few hours.The coolant from the over flow will go into the radiator while it is cooling down so once it is cooled down make sure you check the bottle to make sure it is to the cold level when it is cold.Hope this has helped.Thanks for choosing Fixya.Good luck.Let me know if you have any more questions.
I checked out your picture and yes this is the water pump pulley.You will need to replace the water pump.As far as draining the cooling system what I did was first make sure the system is cooled down and remove the hose by the water pump.This is the lower hose.The coolant will drain out .Then remove the bolts from the pulley before you remove the belt.This makes it easier to remove the bolts.The pulley will slip some when you go to remove the bolts but they will come off.They are a 10 mm metric bolt.The bolts on the pump are 8mm bolts or 5/16 will work.Make a mark on the old water pump and make a mark on the new one in the same place so you put the new pump in the correct position.Once you get the bolts out make sure and scrape the gasket off.I use a razor blade scraper that works really good.Make sure and do not gouge the gasket surface on the timing cover.Remove the radiator cap and loosen the bleeder screws and fill the cooling system til coolant comes out of the bleeder screws then close them and add til the radiator is full.Put the heater controls on hot and floor heat.start the vehicle and feel til the air starts feeling warm and then hot.Make sure you fill the over flow bottle to the hot mark.Then let it cool down on it`s own for a few hours.The coolant from the over flow will go into the radiator while it is cooling down so once it is cooled down make sure you check the bottle to make sure it is to the cold level when it is cold.Hope this has helped.Thanks for choosing Fixya.Good luck.Let me know if you have any more questions.
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problems include failing ac pulley bearings , failing compressor , excessive gas in the ac
have an ac specialist check the gas pressures
before replacing the belt see if the ac pulley can be turned by hand with the ac off and then on
yes, if it is frozen up the belt will squeal and burn up ! you can go to any auto parts store and tell them you need a idler pulley for your vehicle. good-day !
Focuses use an automatic belt tensioner which has no adjustment (as its spring loaded) if your belt is not tight enough replacement of the tensioner could be necessary..if you're asking due to a squealing problem check the pulley on the tensioner and the idler pulley..they are a common part to need changing
Not unless something is loose somewhere. If you had a belt break or slip off, you will need to replace the "belt tensioner". Once a belt tensioner has had a belt slip off, or break; it will damage it. It will never work properly again, and will need to be replaced. If you keep buying belts, every one will eventually slip off, or break, until you buy a new tensioner.
GoeffreyH is not correct. On this engine the water pump is run by a small, single, separate belt which cannot be adjusted by the alternator because it (and the water pump itself) are on the opposite end of the engine from the crank pulley and other accessories, such as alternator, A/C, etc. which are driven by the main serpentine belt. The water pump is driven by a pulley on the end of one camshaft. Your confusion stems from the change from the old system, in which a longer belt was used with a tensioner in the traditional fashion, and the new system on 2004 vans where the tensioner was eliminated and a 'stretch fit' belt was used. Stretch fit belts have a springy component (like a rubber band) and keep their own tension this way by being stretched a bit to fit over the pulleys then holding snug against them. The problem is that some parts books erroneously call for the old belt for vans which need the new one. So the first belt your mechanic got was longer (to fit over the extra tensioner pulley) and static (not stretchy). On these newer vans, you can still see the mounting boss where the tensioner would have gone, it's part of the castings so it's still there. That's why it looks like there's a place for a tensioner but like none was ever there. Both your observations are correct. The only thing you need to do now is make sure your new belt is the right one, that it's a stretch fit belt, so it maintains tension (otherwise the water pump pulley will eventually start to slip and spin too slowly and the van will overheat) and also that it's not TOO tight, which will put you out of another water pump. The correct belt, if it's from NAPA, would be 030250SF.
Hello,Locate the serpentine belt tensioner on the front of the engine.The tensioner is what keeps tension on the belt and keeps the belt from coming off.The tensioner will have a bolt head in the middle of it that a 15mm socket will fit STEP 2:Look on the hood base where the hood lock attaches to the base and see if there is a belt diagram.This diagram will give you the exact instruction for properly routing the belt across the pulleys.If there is no diagram there,you will need to write down the exact routing of the belt on the pulleys on a notepad STEP 3:Put the 15mm socket onto the ratchet and put the ratchet onto the bolt head on the belt tensioner. STEP 4:Turn the tensioner clockwise to relieve the tension on the belt and remove the belt from all of the pulleys STEPS 5:Remove the new serpentine belt the same way that the old one came off by following the belt routing diagram instruction.Do not put the belt across the tensioner until last.Keep in mind that the belt will only go on one way and be right. STEP 6:Put the ratchet with the 15mm socket back on the belt tensioner and rotate the tensioner clockwise to give you enough room to slide the new belt across the belt tensioner pulley.Slide the belt onto the belt tensioner pulley and release the belt tensioner.Look over the belt and double check to make sure that the belt is running across all of the pulleys correctly STEP 7:Crank the car and inspect that the belt is secure and is staying in the grooves on all of the pulleys.
Hello, this is an easy job. I like to remove the upper fan shroud to give me more room to work. TAKE A VERY GOOD LOOK at how the belt is routed, it looks simple but once it's off can be confusing. With a ratchet and socket or a box end wrench release the tension on the automatic belt tensioner. CAUTION don't let the wrench slip and bang your knuckles. With the tension released just remove the old belt and slowly release the tensioner. Don't just let it snap back. Place the new belt firmly and squarely in the grooves of the various pulleys and release tension on the tensioner again, then slip the belt around the final pulley and slowly release the tension again. I put the belt on the idler pulley last, (the smooth one).
I own a 2006 Corolla and can give the following advice. Begin by purchasing a quality replacement belt. I highly recommend the Goodyear Gatorback serpentine belt due to it's quality and unique ribbing designed to eliminate the high pitched chirps and squeals which commonly occur with the original equipment belt on these cars. You will need a 3/8 breaker bar with a 19mm socket and a piece of pipe at least 18" long to slip over the end of the breaker bar to provide additional leverage. This will be used to remove the tension on the belt for removal and installation. You'll also need a metric socket set to aid in removal of the plastic cover that sits on top of the engine. Start the process by removing the plastic cover using a ratchet and 10mm socket on the two acorn head nuts near the front of the cover. Then remove the two plastic push-in fasteners at the rear of the cover by gently prying in an upward direction. Removal of this cover gives more room to help you work the new belt around the pulleys. Make a diagram of the pulleys and belt routing as a reference to help you when installing the new belt. Find the belt tensioner (it looks like an arm with a small piston-like device attached to one end and a smooth faced pulley on the other end.) You will see what looks like two hex shaped bolt heads cast into the metal of the tensioner arm. Place the breaker bar with 19mm socket onto the upper hex casting so that the breaker bar handle points straight up. Slip the pipe over the handle of the breaker bar and pull toward the front of the car. This will relieve the tension and allow you to remove the belt from the alternator pulley. Once the belt is free set the breaker bar aside and work the belt off all the pulleys. Installing the new belt can be a little challenging and will be extremely difficult if you start in the wrong place. Although the new belt goes over the alternator pulley last, it is in fact where you should begin the installation. You'll notice that the top path of the belt goes from a large pulley at the rear of the engine straight to the alternator pulley at the front of the engine. What you want to do is put the belt on the alternator pulley and then begin routing the lower path of the belt around all the pulleys and the pulley on the tensioner arm until it is around everything except the large pulley at the rear of the engine. Then take a piece of stiff wire and bend it into a hook on both ends so that you can gently remove the belt from the alternator pulley and use the wire hook to hold it in line with the other pulleys while allowing enough slack to work it over the last large pulley in the back. I hook mine to a convenient hose located in line with the pulleys just below the alternator. I found that the extension pipe was handy to help nudge the belt onto the lower ribbed pulleys because I couldn't get my hand into the narrow space. Once you have the belt routed and properly positioned on all the pulleys use the breaker bar and extension pipe to again relieve the tension allowing you to slip the last loop of the belt over the alternator pulley. Take a flashlight and carefully examine the belt routing to make sure it is properly positioned on all the pulleys, especially the ribbed ones. Improper installation will cause the belt to jump off and/or damage itself. Once you are satisfied with the belt installation you can replace the plastic cover on the engine. Start the engine as a final check that everything is working properly and enjoy your new quiet belt. This looks like a complicated procedure but will take less than one hour and those that are mechanically inclined should be able to get it done in 30 minutes or less. Hope this helps you.
Thanks for the help. I have one pully that doesnt seem to turn. It is on the lower end next to the A/C compressor pully. When I try to remove the bolt, the pully turns with it but seems like it is attached to something internal. Is this the crankshaft pully? I took a pic of it but unsure how to post it to show what pulley wont turn with my hands. All the other pulley's turn (with the exception of one smooth like pulley that is not ribbed--and it is not the tensioner pulley).
How can I post a pic on here?
Mustgo---The A/C, nor the defrost was and or is being used. Is there any other way that the compressor would engage and cause the problem?
I have tried to post a pic of the smooth pulley that doesnt turn at all. The non-ribbed side of the belt goes under it and over the pulley to the left of it. Is the smooth pulley supposed to turn. What is the description of that pulley? Thank you all for being patient and helping me out.
http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy288...
jsmes--I kind of thought it was the pulley with the water pump and have looked up that wp thru different manufacturers. When i look at the pics of the pulley it looks alot smaller and thinner than what is on the vehicle. I dont want to spend the money on the wp if it is not gonna be the same pulley.
I got the wp, in the photo below is the item closest to us a bearing where the pulley in the previous pic goes over? Also, I read that I need to drain the cooling system, is that much of a hassle?
[IMGhttp://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy288...[/IMG]
Just got the water pump changed. Every pulley is now turning and the car seems to be running great. I didnt drain the radiator, but just pulled the wp off and not much antifreeze leaked out. I did forget to try the heater and check the fluid again, but will do that in a little bit. Thank you all for your help getting to the bottom of my problem. Just hope nothing else goes on it. It only has 58,000 miles on it and is my son's first car from his 97 yr old great grandpa and hope it has many years left in it. Thanks again!
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