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Tom Hume Posted on Dec 14, 2013
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Glow plug relay diesel

Time delay on glow plugs to short plugs are live

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  • Tom Hume
    Tom Hume Dec 15, 2013

    grand vitara in uk with the renault 1.9 diesel,glow plugs have been tested and are ok,fuel is good temp outside -2 centigrade

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    Tom Hume Dec 15, 2013

    starting well apart from in low temp,no promblems prior to this last winter starting perfect,thanks for your comments

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    glow plugs are critical to cold diesel starts, and currnt flow tops this list. ever check the current using an amp clamp meter at each glow plug wire, are each equal? also voltage drop at each glow wire, that is what is first, they draw huge current and can fail easy , with any resistance at all in the feed wires. and connections, as you said a relay. I have no drawings here, state side, as we dont have it here,. its not really suzuki. its Puegot. system. i thing, id work hard to find proper documentation, for that diesel.

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    and a very strong battery,

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    see if you can sort this wiki , puzzle, what is that diesel, quote:

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    The naming scheme, engines and trim options available in Chile, closely follow that of the Australian market. In 1998, there became available models featuring 1.9-litre turbodiesel engines from PSA, built in Spain by Santana Motors, all of them were 4WD vehicles equipped with manual transmissions. Since 2001, all diesel 1st Gen Vitaras are to be imported from Argentina, built by General Motors in Argentina, featuring 2.0-litre HDI engines from PSA, all of them with 5-speed mechanic transmissions. Automatic transmissions are only available on Japanese built models with gasoline engines.

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    must be a Renualt? diesel? used in UK? finding good info, it help to know all about the system. who made all parts, and what other cars use same system. (makes finding facts far more easy) and books.

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    Renault F9x engine. (speak french?)direct injected . F9K, F9Q? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/renault-1-9-dc...

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    id bet the PCM is renault too, end to end, but p/n on PCM will answer that. here are some other links not one does the poster use diagnosics skill or a simple meter. amazes me, that... a volt meter and a DC amp cllmp meter. is $50 good heater coils not open, good voltage, and full current to the glow plug. 1 ohm coil, 5amps draw, and voltage never below 11v (Bosch spec) so are they?

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    Peter Russek books, find a matching Renual book matching engine and electrics, or go to suzuki and get the engine suppliement. one or the other.

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    wild guess, Renualt Kangoo 1.9l at Russek >>>>>http://www.renaultforums.co.uk/archive/i...

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    more links, (im collecting them for friend with F9Q engine)

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    http://www.mitsubishi-motors.kiev.ua/Man...

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    BOSCH system I see, in 2006, fitted with Bosch's EDC16C3 common rail engine control system

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    had to dig deep but here is a great link to what you have.

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    http://www.suzuki4u.co.uk/forum/viewtopi...

  • Tom Hume
    Tom Hume Dec 16, 2013

    many thanks for your help will study this tonight,reckon it would be better to put 1970 1500cc VW Beetle back on the road.thanks again TOM

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    i have a 68 bug , restored. (hard row to hoe that,,,,)but did it. i want a MR2 next,

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They use diffr, diesels world wide
which one you got?
and try some commas please.
glow plugs too short, plugs are what?
my wild guess, the diesel is hard to start>? and what is the outdoor temperature, and is the fuel fresh? not 3 years old? or water contaminated?

start any engine post with
country (car was sold,which might not be now)
engine displacement. ?????????
and symptoms.
then ask a question.

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SOURCE: is there a sensor that sends a signal to the glow plug relay to say that the engine is cold and trigger the relay to heat the glow plugs in a 2002 suzuki grand vitara with the 2.0 hdi rhz code engine

It will work through the temperature sending unit for the engine. You may have one or two. Some companies dedicate one temp sensor for the glow plugs and some don't.

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Section 03-07B: Glow Plug System 1996 F-250, F-350, F-Super Duty Equipped with 7.3L Diesel Engines Workshop Manual
DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION Glow Plug System The 7.3L diesel engine uses a glow plug system which preheats air in the combustion chamber to improve cold engine starting. The system consists of eight glow plugs, the glow plug control module (12B533), powertrain control module (PCM) (12A650), engine oil temperature (EOT) sensor and barometric pressure sensor (BARO sensor) (12A644). The glow plug system is electronically controlled by the powertrain control module. The powertrain control module energizes the glow plugs immediately after the key is placed in the ON position and then determines how long the glow plugs will be on according to the engine oil temperature and the barometric pressure. The required time for the glow plugs to be energized decreases as the engine oil temperature and barometric pressure increase. The glow plugs are self-regulating, and the powertrain control module controls relay ON time. The powertrain control module protects the glow plugs by energizing them for short durations if the battery voltage is abnormally high.

Possible Causes: Insufficient glow plug ON time will not allow enough heat to accumulate in the combustion chamber to easily facilitate starting. If the glow plug system ON time does not meet any of the specifications in the accompanying chart the problem is most likely a faulty wire harness connection, ground connections or glow plug relay.

If the glow plug resistance to ground is high, the most likely causes are an open UVC (under valve cover) harness or open glow plug.
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Relay Operation
Install a DVOM on the glow plug feed side of the glow plug relay (large stud with two wires connected). Turn the ignition key to the ON position but do not attempt to start. Note the time in seconds from when the key is turned on and the glow plug relay energizes until the glow plug relay de-energizes. The glow plug relay makes a loud click noise which is easily heard when it energizes and de-energizes. The dome light will dim and the dash voltmeter will dip when the glow plugs are drawing current from the battery. Compare the times measured to the table (time will be affected by engine temperature, battery condition and vehicle altitude). The voltage at the glow plug feed terminal may vary from 9 to 12 volts depending upon battery condition.
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If battery voltage not present check for B+ at power supply terminal (terminal with single large wire). Power for glow plug power supply is supplied from starter relay through two fusible links at solenoid.
Glow Plug Operation
Disconnect all of the glow plug/injector harness connectors from the valve cover gaskets. With the pigtail installed, measure glow plug resistance to ground (preferably B-). A resistance measurement of .1 to 6 ohms indicates a good glow plug.



Glow Plug Harness Continuity
Measure for continuity from the connector harness to the glow plug feed terminal on the glow plug relay. Resistance should be less than 5 ohms.
Incorrect measurements will result if all glow plug/injector connectors to valve cover are not disconnected.

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Glow Plug Relay The glow plug relay (12A343) has a plastic base and two mounting bolts. It is operated by the powertrain control module (PCM) (12A650) which senses engine oil temperature, PCM voltage and barometric pressure. When the engine oil temperature or the barometric pressure is low, the PCM activates the glow plug relay and the glow plugs. If the PCM voltage is too high, the powertrain control module deactivates the glow plug relay and the glow plugs immediately energize for a shorter duration, decreasing the modulation of the duty cycle.
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  1. Disconnect glow plug electrical connector using a pair of pliers.
  1. Remove glow plug using 10mm socket.
  1. Clean and inspect glow plug tip for damage. Replace if damaged.
Installation
  1. Install glow plug and tighten to 19 Nm (14 lb-ft).
  1. Connect glow plug electrical connector. Make sure glow plug wiring is routed to avoid moving parts.
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Glow Plug Control Glow plugs are used to warm the cylinders to improve cold-engine starting. The PCM uses the engine oil temperature (EOT) sensor and barometric pressure (BARO) sensor to determine how long the glow plugs will be on. The PCM energizes the glow plugs longer if the engine is very cold or if the barometric pressure is low at high altitudes.
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