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Doc Jimmie Smith Posted on Oct 31, 2013

1997 Pontiac Firebird, will not crank. Changed fuel pump and the relay, now the security light is coming on and injectors will not engage...HELP

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On my '97 Camaro, the first thing I hear when turning the ignition key is the fuel pump run and the fuel rail pressure up. .
First thought is, manual cars must have clutch depressed and auto cars in Park or Neutral to enable cranking. If these inhibit switches are faulty then that could be your problem. Had an old 5-speed manula Pontiac Fiero with a faulty inhibit switch. I just bypassed the switch with a piece of jumper wire. Just had to remember to ensure car was in neutral when starting!!
Do you have a shop manual with wiring diagrams? The Haynes manual schematic covering both Camaro and Firebird diagram shows a theft deterrent relay between the starter key switch and the main starter solenoid mounted on the starter motor. This relay actuating coil has a volts feed on one side of the coil from the inhibit switches fitted to ensure the car is in Park or Neutral for Automatics or the clutch must be depressed for manual cars. The other side ot this relay coil is grounded via the Theft Deterrent Module.
There is also a further fuse. Number 16, a 3 amp fuse labelled "Crank fuse" that is labelled as going to the Diagnostic Energy Reserve Module. Not sure what that is but with the fuse labelled "crank fuse" it sounds important!! it may be linked to the theft deterrent module but my manual is not clear on that.
If all the fuses are OK then I think the problem lies in the anti theft system.
To bypass the anti-theft and enable cranking you could simply break the yellow/black wire from the theft deterrent relay and ground the relay coil. (cut the wire and connect to ground / chassis, the bit going to the relay not going toward the anti-theft module) Turning the starter key should then apply volts that are coming from the transmission inhibit or clutch inhibt switches to the coil of the theft inhibit relay. This relay then pulls in and applies vots to the main starter solenoid and so enable cranking. The starter solenoid should be heard as a solid thunk as it pulls in. Small relays as a tick.
If this works then wire in a hidden switch in this ground wire to act as a unique anti theft device.
However if the vehicle control electronics are also fried then you will still have problems.
Hope all this is of some help and best of luck.
Cheers, Brian. (Over in Manchester, England, Europe)

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jul 20, 2008

SOURCE: 1997 Chevrolet Silverado Fuel System

Hello Johnholley
I am wondering do you hear the fuel pump when you just turn the key into the on run position not crank just in run and listen and see if you hear the fuel pump run for a second, If you don't hear it you will want to check for power at the fuel tank, and have some one cycle the key while your under the truck with a test light. Hopefully you have power and you hear the fuel pump run. Now if you do hear the fuel pump running then the next thing you will want to check is for spark, It could be the ignition module or pickup coil. check out those thing and I am sure you will be able to figure out whats going on. If you don't get back to me and we can try a few other methods. I sure hope that helps you out johnholley. and thanks for using Fix Ya Bear001

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jan 03, 2010

SOURCE: 1997 Ford F150 Electric Fuel Pump will npt pump

Did you check the fuel inertia switch in the passenger side kick panel ?

The fuel pump is powered :
the fuse to the fuel pump relay.
The fuel pump relay to the fuel inertia switch
The fuel inertia switch to the fuel pump itself.

At the fuel inertia switch in the kick panel, power from the relay is the Dark Green w/ Yellow stripe wire and the pink w/ black stripe wire is the power. from the fuel inertia switch to the fuel pump.

If you jumper the fuel pump relay, you should hear it run. If not pull the fuel pump relay, and check the pins in the relay socket, pin 30 should be the power from the fuse.

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If you have power at pin #30, jumper the relay socket as shown with the red line above, and check the dark green w/ yellow stripe wire at the fuel inertia switch for power.
Press the button on the top of the fuel inertia switch, and check for power leaving the fuel inertia switch on the pink w/ black stripe wire.

This is tests good, check for power at the fuel pump, same pink w/ black stripe wire.
Fuel inertia switch info is in the owners manual, If you did not get an owners manual with your truck ( purchased used ), you can download one from Ford :
https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/owners_manuals/default.asp

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Mar 31, 2010

SOURCE: RENAULT MEGANE 1.6 FUEL PUMP RELAY CLICKING

i was told i needed a new fuel pump relay for my renault megane but when i put in the new one it only worked for a few minutes. the only way i can get my car to work now is by inserting some wire into two points on the relay bos and bypassissing the cut off device.any suggestions?

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