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Catalytic converter or Oxygen sensor

My check engine light has been on for a couple of months, along with a couple of other lights. I took it to the dealer, who said that it needed a new catalytic converter. (approx. $700) Since I'm in a rural area, I'm not under some of the air quality rules, but I still would like to get this fixed. Next I took it to another service provider chain, who said it could just be my oxygen sensors. ($600). My problem with that is, what if we replace them, and I still need a catalytic converter? My third attempt was with a Mom and Pop mechanic. He said usually if the code says its the Catalytic Converter, 90% it's the Catalytic Converter. However, he said if it's welded on he can't fix it. So, my question is ... How do I know if it's the oxygen sensors or the catalytic converter without replacing all three parts (2 sensors). and ...... Is the 2008 Rav4 Catalytic Converter welded on?

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If you smell rotten eggs its usually the cat is stopped up. Go to rockauto.com and look it up, you can try the O2 sensor there also. Just bought an O2 for my Toyota for $19.

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Pierre Laplante

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  • Posted on Jul 31, 2008

SOURCE: check engine!

normally you need to change the converter if you have smog test you have no choise if not disconnect the battery for a minute and try it out hopefully it will not come back hope its a fixya thanks for the post pierre

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Dec 23, 2008

SOURCE: 2001 Toyota Corolla Check Engine Light

You cannot guess with these cars,these vehicles have a lot of sensors and actuators can can go bad at anytime, here is my suggestion take your vehicle and to Auto_zone and have them check the codes, they will be able to tell you what they mean. ITS FREE.. then get back to me if you need more help.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Nov 07, 2009

SOURCE: I got Engine codes PO135 and PO155.

those are the sensors before the cat

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Oct 08, 2010

SOURCE: I have a 2003 tacoma

Well, the P0420 means "Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 1)" - that both oxygen sensors (the one before the converter and the one after the converter) are reading about the same, meaning the converter is not working within the set efficiency envelope.

the "Bank 1" is just a way to differentiate between right and left for dual exhaust and dual catalytic converters - Bank 1 or Bank 2

Then they have (Bank 1 Sensor 1) (Bank 1 Sensor 2) (Bank 2 Sensor 1) (Bank 2 Sensor 2)

In any event, it sounds like Toyota was correct, but, WOW , A few hundred? Considering the Oxygen Sensors cost between $124 and $194 (front or rear) - you can safely say the part will cost $200 - even at the local parts house. Then the shop labor - which will NOT take more than 20 mins to replace since they nailed which one needs replacing. Unless its a ****** doing it. They have shop minimums though I'm sure.

Good Luck and Take Care

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Nov 18, 2010

SOURCE: 2005 toyota tundra has engine light on, local shop

it could be one of several reasons from a loose gas cap to any sensor for fuel , emissions etc. get the engine hooked to a good scan tool not just a code scanner by someone who can understand the readings and diagnose from there

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Check engine light came on. Drives and runs normal. But a couple codes came on. Help please?

Common causes of the P0420 code
  • Damaged muffler or leaks in the muffler.
  • Damaged exhaust manifold or leaks in the exhaust manifold.
  • Damaged exhaust pipe or exhaust pipe leaks.
  • A misfire in the engine.
  • Oil contamination in catalytic converter.
  • Faulty catalytic converter (most common).
  • Faulty engine coolant temperature sensor.
  • Faulty front oxygen sensor.
  • Faulty rear oxygen sensor.
  • Damaged oxygen sensor wiring.
  • Oxygen sensor wiring that is not properly connected.
  • Damaged oxygen sensor connectors
  • A leaking fuel injector.
  • High fuel pressure.
  • Use of the wrong kind of fuel (using leaded fuel instead of unleaded fuel)
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1991 honda accord ex check engine light on. PO code 430. I have changed the oxygen sensor. After couple weeks, check engine light came on. the car drive rough on the idle.

code p 430 refers to catalytic converter system , bank 2---efficiency below threshold ====causes ---cat converter--wiring ---Heated oxygen sensor (HO2S in the exhaust manifold bank 2 before the cat converter)
have the cat converter checked for failure and blocking the exhaust
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All 4 O2 Sensors failed at the same time

Check the relays and fuses for the H.E.G.O (heated oxygen sensors) for power and function.
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0420 AND CHECK ENGINE LIGHT STAYS ON

DTC P0420 - Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 1)
The catalytic converter has an oxygen sensor in front and behind it. When the vehicle is warm and running in closed loop mode, the upstream oxygen sensor waveform reading should fluctuate. The downstream O2 sensor reading should be fairly steady. Typically the P0420 code triggers the Check Engine Light if the readings of the two sensors are similar. This is indicative of (among other things) a converter that is not working as efficiently as it should be (according to specs). It is part of the vehicle emissions system.

You will likely not notice any drivability problems, although there may be symptoms.

A code P0420 may mean that one or more of the following has happened:
Leaded fuel was used where unleaded was called for
An oxygen sensor is not reading (functioning) properly
The engine coolant temperature sensor is not working properly
Damaged or leaking exhaust manifold / catalytic converter / exhaust pipe
******** spark timing
The oxygen sensors in front and behind the converter are reporting too similar of readings

Some suggested steps for troubleshooting a P0420 error code include:
- Check for exhaust leaks at the manifold, pipes, catalytic converter. Repair as required.
- Use a scope to diagnose the oxygen sensor operation (Tip: The oxygen sensor in front of the catalytic converter normally has a fluctuating waveform. The waveform of the sensor behind the converter should be more steady).
- Inspect the downstream heated oxygen sensor (HO2), replace if necessary
- Replace the catalytic converter

One thing to note is that many vehicle manufacturers offer a longer warranty on emissions-related parts. So if you have a newer car but it's out of it's bumper-to-bumper warranty, there still may be warranty on this type of problem. Many manufacturers give a five year, unlimited mileage warranty on these items. It's worth checking into.

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My 2000 Cadillac Deville engine light on. Engine code PO420

Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 1)

A code PO420 may mean that one or more of the following has happened:
  • Leaded fuel was used where unleaded was called for
  • An oxygen sensor is not reading (functioning) properly
  • The engine coolant temperature sensor is not working properly
  • Damaged or leaking exhaust manifold / catalytic converter / exhaust pipe
  • Retarded spark timing
  • The oxygen sensors in front and behind the converter are reporting too similar of reading

  • Check for exhaust leaks at the manifold, pipes, catalytic converter. Repair as required.
  • Use a scope to diagnose the oxygen sensor operation (Tip: The oxygen sensor in front of the catalytic converter normally has a fluctuating waveform. The waveform of the sensor behind the converter should be more steady).
  • Inspect the downstream heated oxygen sensor (HO2), replace if necessary
  • Replace the catalytic converter
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PO420

Not just a faulty catalytic converter will trigger this code. Many other issues can trigger this code.

  • Leaded fuel was used where unleaded was called for
  • An oxygen sensor is not reading (functioning) properly
  • The engine coolant temperature sensor is not working properly
  • Damaged or leaking exhaust manifold / catalytic converter / exhaust pipe
  • Delayed spark timing
  • The oxygen sensors in front and behind the converter are reporting too similar of readings
Possible solutions:
  • Check for exhaust leaks at the manifold, pipes, catalytic converter.
  • Replace Coolant Temperature Sensor
  • Use a scope to diagnose the oxygen sensor operation (Tip: The oxygen sensor in front of the catalytic converter normally has a fluctuating waveform. The waveform of the sensor behind the converter should be more steady).
  • Inspect the downstream heated oxygen sensor (HO2)
  • Replace the catalytic converter
  • Have timing adjusted


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Check engine light is on...bank 1 sensor1 oxygen sensor

if u have one oxygen sensor then u need to take a deep look at the bottom of ur car it will be somewhere at the Exhaust pipe if u have a catalytic converter then u will have two oxygen sensors one before the catalytic converter & the other will be after the catalytic converter. Note: the catalytic converter is located at after a little bit of beginning in Exhaust pipe.
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Engine light keeps coming on, had catalytic converter replaced 2x

a bad or disconnected oxygen sensor will make the engine run rich.
How about a clogged air filter? 
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Check engine light on and stalls

Some cars have 2 sensors. The oxygen sensor and the outlet sensor. One checks the O2 level when it goes in , the other checks the output levels on the outtake . Usually located on the outake manifold or the pipe itself under the car. past the catalytic converter.
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Engine code p0421

Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 1)

The catalytic converter has an oxygen sensor in front and behind it. When the vehicle is warm and running in closed loop mode, the upstream oxygen sensor waveform reading should fluctuate. The downstream O2 sensor reading should be fairly steady. Typically the P0420 code triggers the Check Engine Light if the readings of the two sensors are similar. This is indicative of (among other things) a converter that is not working as efficiently as it should be (according to specs). It is part of the vehicle emissions system.

A code P0420 may mean that one or more of the following has happened:

* Leaded fuel was used where unleaded was called for
* An oxygen sensor is not reading (functioning) properly
* The engine coolant temperature sensor is not working properly
* Damaged or leaking exhaust manifold
/ catalytic converter / exhaust pipe
* Retarded spark timing
* The oxygen sensors in front and behind the converter are reporting too similar of readings


To Do list

* Check for exhaust leaks at the manifold, pipes, catalytic converter. Repair as required.
* Use a scope to diagnose the oxygen sensor operation (Tip: The oxygen sensor in front of the catalytic converter normally has a fluctuating waveform. The waveform of the sensor behind the converter should be more steady).
* Inspect the downstream heated oxygen sensor (HO2), replace if necessary
* Replace the catalytic converter

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