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Anonymous Posted on May 07, 2012

Ratcheting noise on startup

Was told it could be timing chain tensioner is it dangerous to drive with bad tensioner?

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Yes the tensioner is what keeps pressure on the chain or belt to keep it tight.If the chain or belt gets too much slack it could jump a tooth or two or worse it could come off while you are driving,causing severe engine damage.

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