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Both radiator cooling fans are running all the time ? Key off ? The cooling fan opperation
HOW they work
Cooling Fan Control
The engine cooling fan system consists of 2 cooling fans and 3 relays. The relays are powered by the battery positive voltage circuit and controlled by a switched ground from the powertrain control module (PCM).
During low speed operation, the PCM supplies the ground path for the low speed cooling fan relay through the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit. This energizes the cooling fan low relay coil, closes the relay contacts, and supplies battery positive voltage from the COOL FAN LO fuse through the cooling fan motor supply voltage circuit to the cooling fan. During high speed operation the PCM supplies the ground path for the cooling fan low relay through the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit. After a 3-second delay, the PCM supplies a ground path for the cooling fan high relay and the s/p cooling fan relay through the high speed fan relay control circuit.
The PCM commands the fan on under the following conditions:
• Engine coolant temperature exceeds approximately 98°C (208°F) Low Fan Speed
• Engine coolant temperature exceeds approximately 102°C (216°F) High Fan Speed
• A/C refrigerant pressure exceeds 361 kPa (52 psi) Low Fan Speed
• A/C refrigerant pressure exceeds 2100 kPa (300 psi) High Fan Speed
• When the engine coolant temperature exceeds 112°C (234°F) at key off, the fan high speed will run for up to 300 seconds. If within that time frame 102°C (216°F) is reached then fan speed will change from high to low speed. If within that time frame 99°C (210°F) is reached then fan speed will change from low to off.
The PCM commands the fan off under the following conditions:
• A/C is requested and engine speed exceeds 6,240 RPM
• Engine coolant temperature exceeds approximately 99°C (210°F) turns the cooling fans from low to off.
sounds like one of the relays are stuck closed .
Cooling Fan Always On
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Schematic Reference: Engine Cooling Schematics , HVAC Schematics in HVAC Systems - Manual
Connector End View Reference: Cooling System Connector End Views
DEFINITION: One or both engine cooling fan motors run continuously in high or low speed.
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Did you perform the Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle?
Go to Step 2
Go to Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle in Vehicle DTC Information
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Install a scan tool.
Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
With a scan tool, command the Fans Low Speed ON and OFF.
Are one or both cooling fans ON?
Go to Step 3
Go to Testing for Intermittent Conditions and Poor Connections in Wiring Systems
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Are both cooling fans running continuously?
Go to Step 4
Go to Step 6
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Are both cooling fans running continuously in high speed?
Go to Step 5
Go to Step 7
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Test the low reference circuit of the A/C refrigerant pressure sensor for an open. Refer to Circuit Testing and Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems.
Did you find and correct the condition?
Go to Step 18
Go to Step 14
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Important: The S/P relay is located under the front bumper on the drivers side of the vehicle.
Remove the cool fan S/P relay.
Did the right cooling fan turn OFF?
Go to Step 10
Go to Step 8
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Remove the cool fan LOW relay.
Did the cooling fans turn OFF?
It means you should take your vehicle to a qualified repair shop , at least that's the car makers thought .
A/C Off For Engine Protection
Refer to Cooling System Description and Operation
Cooling Fan Control
The engine cooling fan system consists of 2 electrical cooling fans and 3 fan relays. The relays are arranged in a series/parallel configuration that allows the powertrain control module (PCM) or engine control module (ECM) to operate both fans together at low or high speeds. The cooling fans and fan relays receive battery positive voltage from the underhood junction block. The ground path is provided at G100.
During low speed operation, the PCM/ECM supplies the ground path for the low speed fan relay through the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit. This energizes the cooling fan 1 relay coil, closes the relay contacts, and supplies battery positive voltage from the cool fan 1 maxifuse?® through the cooling fan motor supply voltage circuit to the left cooling fan. The ground path for the left cooling fan is through the cooling fan relay and the right cooling fan. The result is a series circuit with both fans running at low speed.
During high speed operation, the PCM/ECM supplies the ground path for the cooling fan 1 relay through the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit. After a 3 second delay, the PCM/ECM supplies a ground path for the cooling fan 2 relay and the cooling fan relay through the high speed cooling fan relay control circuit. This energizes the cooling fan relay coil, closes the relay contacts, and provides a ground path for the left cooling fan. At the same time the cooling fan 2 relay coil is energized closing the relay contacts and provides battery positive voltage from the cool fan 2 maxifuse?® on the cooling fan motor supply voltage circuit to the right cooling fan. During high speed fan operation, both engine cooling fans have there own ground path. The result is a parallel circuit with both fans running at high speed.
Are the radiator fans coming on ? You mite take it an have it checked for DTC'S - diagnostic trouble code's .
A/C Off For Engine Protection
Refer to Cooling System Description and Operation
DTC P1258: Engine Coolant Overtemperature - Protection Mode Active.
This is something you need to take to a qualified repair shop .
The engine cooling fan system consists of 2 electrical cooling fans and 3 fan relays. The relays are arranged in a series/parallel configuration that allows the powertrain control module (PCM) or engine control module (ECM) to operate both fans together at low or high speeds. The cooling fans and fan relays receive battery positive voltage from the underhood junction block. The ground path is provided at G100.
During low speed operation, the PCM/ECM supplies the ground path for the low speed fan relay through the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit. This energizes the cooling fan 1 relay coil, closes the relay contacts, and supplies battery positive voltage from the cool fan 1 maxifuse® through the cooling fan motor supply voltage circuit to the left cooling fan. The ground path for the left cooling fan is through the cooling fan relay and the right cooling fan. The result is a series circuit with both fans running at low speed.
During high speed operation, the PCM/ECM supplies the ground path for the cooling fan 1 relay through the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit. After a 3 second delay, the PCM/ECM supplies a ground path for the cooling fan 2 relay and the cooling fan relay through the high speed cooling fan relay control circuit. This energizes the cooling fan relay coil, closes the relay contacts, and provides a ground path for the left cooling fan. At the same time the cooling fan 2 relay coil is energized closing the relay contacts and provides battery positive voltage from the cool fan 2 maxifuse® on the cooling fan motor supply voltage circuit to the right cooling fan. During high speed fan operation, both engine cooling fans have there own ground path. The result is a parallel circuit with both fans running at high speed.
In the engine compartment fuse junction box its the fourth relay,you cant miss it, The fan fuse is the big 30 amp fuse.The cooling fan should come on when the air conditioning switch is activated,Your problem you are dealing with is common on Saturn the cooling fan never comes on.And you have to use the air condition system just to turn the fan on.Heres a way to trouble shoot the fan if you cant find the relay for the fan or you found the relay theres is two big relays one is the cooling fan.The other is the air pump ,take the cover off the relay and expose the mechanism,get a non conductive tool a toothpick will work fine collapse the relay so it make contact with the key on engine off make the relay make contact the fan should come on ,if it doesnt and you see spark(little spark)as you close the relay this tell you the power works replace the fan..if the fan comes on swap the relay.
I would test the A/C compressor clutch coil first , easiest to do . If the electromagnet clutch coil is bad ,the compressor won't engage . Pull the A/C compressor clutch relay an jump pin's 30 & 87 , where the relay plug's into the fuse box . If pin 30 has B+ voltage ,pin 87 sends that B+ voltage to energize the clutch coil . These clutch coil's can go bad . You could also check the cooling fan this way , pull the cooling fan relay an take a piece of wire an jump pin's 30 & 87 .If fan is good it will run . Do you know how relay's work ? VEHICLE RELAYS Operation Diagnosis
The PCM controls both relay's by supplying a ground to energize the relay .
Is the check engine light on ?
Do you know what a wiring diagram is ? How to use one along with a DVOM - digital volt ohm meter to test automotive electrical circuits ? Not guessing ? This is how an automotive technician would solve this problem , hooking up a scan tool an checking for code's ,using bi-direction control of scan tool to manually try to turn on coolant fan ,A/C compressor .....
Free wiring diagrams here http://www.bbbind.com/free_tsb.html
Enter vehicle info. year , make , model an engine size. Under system click on engine ,then under subsystem click on cooling fans ,check the electrical circuit's .
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