my radiator cooling fans will not work, I can,t seem to figure out this problem, I could not find the sensors or are there sensors that controls them? I have temporarily ran a hot wire from the fans to battery to a toggle switch please help me out. thanks.
My answer:
I answered a similar ? at Yahoo Answers awhile back, and it solved that person's problem on their 1987 Jeep.
Though you weren't very specific as to your 2003 Jeep Grand Cherokee's
problem by just saying the fan motor doesn't work, I'm taking it that
we are talking about the "radiator fan motor" here.
You most likely have a two-fold problem going on with your radiator cooling fan.
Seeings a new fan motor didn't solve the original non-op problem we can
definitely establish that the old fan being bad really wasn't bad at
all and NOT the problem to start with.
As with any 12-volt DC automotive motor (whether for the radiator
cooling fan, windshield wiper motor, interior passenger compartment
cooling/circ fan, etc) a simple disconnected from the car's electrical
system test should have been done 1st to make sure the old fan motor
was really bad. Too late for that now though. I myself would have
seriously doubted that a 6 year old fan motor would have been bad
already.
If you had no recent engine or radiator related mechanical work done to
the Jeep - as of late - then the problem may not even be a bad wiring
harness connection, but you never know.
If all the radiator fan Temp related Sensors & Thermal Switch
connectors are properly seated then we need to look at yet another
possibility having eliminating a wiring connector type problem.
On most radiators with an electric assist fan(s) there is also an
electric Thermo Sense switch (TS) mounted on the radiator itself that
has to be working properly otherwise this fan switch could stick in the
CLOSED position (set point usually 190 degrees F) leaving the fan to
run all the time while the engine is running. Make sure it is connected
as to the wiring connector, as I've seen this connection get pulled
apart from other engine related work being done or else from a
bad connector itself.
If this TS goes bad and someone disconnects it so as to stop the fan
from running all the time - then it may look like the fan itself is bad
when it really isn't.
On the other hand this TS switch could actually stick in the OPEN
position (though this is very rare with this type of Thermal switch),
and then the fan wouldn't run at all, and the engine would probably run
HOTTER then normal as a dead giveaway. If your engine is running HOTTER
then normal I would go directly to this TS and check it for proper
operation. It's usually mounted on the radiator fan bracket nearest the
radiator with a separate 2-wire wiring connector.
If it's working properly - when the ignition is turned off - the fan should still turn off as it is
usually controlled by a timed RELAY circuit as a failsafe. Does it??
Hopefully you don't have any engine cooling problems to start with, but if you do follow the guidelines below:
If the engine thermostat is sticking CLOSED, or indeed stuck CLOSED,
that could also cause the fan to run excessively. Running plain water
in the engine and not proper 50/50 antifreeze/coolant mix can also
cause the engine to run much hotter then normal and thus adds to
running the radiator fan more frequently then normal.
Excessive radiator fan running leads to just one thing,
and that is worn out bearings. Some of these fans aren't made that good
to begin with!
If the fan is indeed 'tired' or has a tendency to try and freeze up
there should be safeguards to prevent wiring from burning up.
Most radiators have 2 thermo-switches (TS), one being an ambient
radiator surface mounted TS, and the other one being an internal
(screwed into) radiator mounted TS. There might even be a 3rd fan TS
that is clipped directly to the fan motor case itself to sense an
over-temp situation like that from the fan bearings freezing and the
fan itself running hotter then normal. Just depends on car maker design.
There is also a TIMER RELAY module incorporated in all CA equipped cars
as part of the SMOG packaging for cars sold here in this state. Reason
for that is to reset the pre-warm circuit properly when restarting the
car back up after shorter run and stop trips. If this relay is bad it
could cause the fan to run on longer then normal after shutting off the
vehicle, thus causing undue wear and tear on the fan motor also. I used
to think it also helped to clear out any fuel fumes from under the hood
after running the engine, but could never prove it or have it verified
by my own minivan maker when I owned a minivan??
NEVER DRIVE THE JEEP WITHOUT THE FAN MOTOR BEING CONNECTED!! You will surely damage something you don't want to!!!
To check the radiator fan circuit do the following:
I would first disconnect the battery from the circuit, and do any
resistive type DVM meter checks first (unless you are unsure of how to
do them), and then do the following checks below to check out the fan
motor and related sensors/switches with power reconnected. If you have
a lot of MEMORY type devices onboard your Jeep (Stereo, GPS, etc) you
might want to use a simple 12-volt TEST LIGHT or again a good DVM to
trace for a good ~12-volt battery voltage at point-to-point connectors
instead, so as not to lose those memory settings.
First check the wiring leading to and from the fan motor itself and
the TS (1
or possibly 2) connectors to make sure they are snapped together fully
and making good connections. Also check the GROUND WIRE coming off the
fan motor connector - as if this ground point is dirty or corroded
causing a bad ground return path then the fan motor will appear to be
dead as well.
Next check the fan itself for free-play. Is it turning freely or is it
very tight or hard to spin?? If so - you have a bad fan and it's time
to replace it NOW! (In your case it doesn't appear to be a bad fad fan motor at all.)
If you are handy with a digital volt meter (DVM) connect it in DC
series with the fan motor and while running the Jeep measure the
current and compare it to a new fan's rating. If it's excessive then
the fan motor is on it's way out. Time to replace. (Skip this part too, as your fan is known good.)
VERY IMPORTANT STEP HERE - Also check those 1 or 2 TS switches to
make sure they are in the OPEN setting with a COLD engine/radiator.
CHECK AGAIN to make sure they CLOSE at the proper engine temp as well.
If they don't close at or near 190 degrees F then one or the other (if
there are 2 or more in your system) may be bad, and that may very well
be your only problem.
If Jeep has added a FUSE or FUSIBLE LINK to the fan circuit make sure
you check that part also. It's doubtful though, as the fan circuit is
fairly simple by design. A Timer Relay type Switch would be downstream
of the/any TS switch(es) by design as well, so I would place my money
1st on a bad TS switch, or a possible bad ground connection 2nd.
Does not appear to be anything else that excessive as it looks to just be isolated to the radiator fan circuit itself.
Hope this helps you out to troubleshoot the problem. Feel free to email me if you still have further ??'s.
Frank
AND THEIR REPLY WAS:
posted by djvanh on Aug 13, 2008
We are being told that it is the PCM that is causing the fan not to work. Can we replace the PCM with a remanufactured one?
Thanks
AND MY REPLY WAS:
I guess I better ask you a couple of ?'s before going any further here
- as I'm not getting back any feedback at all as to what I posted
previously.
No past history - no past to present attempted fixes - no troubleshooting feedback.....
The reason I say this is because now you are saying > We are being
told that it is the PCM that is causing the fan not to work.
This has me asking - WHO is telling you that the Powertrain Control
Module is supposedly bad? By WHO I mean - Jeep dealership - auto repair
garage - your friend - who?
I need to know what steps you took to get to this new revelation point - as to the fan supposedly not working?
Please be very specific, and not just a 1 or 2 line reply - as that
won't help me pinpoint the problem at all. After all - you have the SUV
there (wherever you are located state/city wise), and I don't.
Also - do you have the/a service manual (Haynes or Chilton Auto Manual for your year & make Jeep)?
When I get your feedback we can proceed forward.
Thanks,
Frank
1 - Highly degreed in Electronics first of all.
2 - Worked for 2 SEARS AUTOMOTIVE STORES, one on the East Coast and the
other one still being the largest SEARS AUTO in CHICAGO at 6-corners. I
specialized in troubleshooting all auto electrical problems - including
battery testing and charging system testing and repair. Graduate of
DeVry in Chicago also!
3 - Troubleshooted, repaired, and replaced many water pumps,
thermostats, fans, TS units, and radiators on all types of vehicles and
makes and models. I hate those stupid internal water pumps on many of
the *** Honda and similar autos as that is the dumbest design I've ever
seen! Stay away from buying one of these headaches!! Timing belts
(non-metal type) are just as bad!
Posted on Aug 21, 2008
radiator fans do not work. fuse is ok. fans are ok.
Im guessing that the van is overheating in the traffic. you are going to need to have someone with an OBDII scan tool look at it the PCM controls those fans when the coolant temp sending unit tells the PCM the temp is so that the PCM needs to command on the fans, Has anyone changed the cooling fan relay?
Posted on Aug 21, 2008
I wanted to know if it is safe to temporarily disconnect the ABS system on my car. I need to make a trip home and can't afford the 600$ to fix them now. Are the ABS really for bad weather or all around driving. I am desperate. thanks
You can have the ABS disabled although it is not advisable. Keep in mind on icy , wet, slippery roads without ABS you could lock the wheels causing a slide. Be careful on your trip if you decide to do this.
Posted on Jan 12, 2009
I have a 1997 Grand Caravan, Im getting 3 codes P1698,P0138,P0140. My dashboard instruments(speedmeter,rpm,gas gauge,temp gauge)is been acting funny...sometimes its working sometimes its not even moving while im driving, im not sure if this is related to the codes im getting. But i really needs help and inputs to get rid of this codes.Thanks a million. 1997 Gr. Voyager, 3.3l. Trans solenoid replaced 6 wks. ago. Now, Check Eng on, ABS light on intermittently, Dash PRND3L lights, radio, window lifts fail/on intermittently (at same time as ABS light). ABS, lights, window resolved "spontaneously". Codes 1698 and 732.<!-- from fixya rte -->
you need to go over your entire wiring harness, under the hood and inside the dash. Start with the ground wire on the battery and work your way inside. It sounds like there is a loose ground wire somewhere
Posted on May 06, 2009
my 1999 plymouth voyager van's radiator fan is staying on constantly -- took the fuse out to stop it while parked -- any help
There is a fan relay in the fuse box in the engine compartment. Usually that is the reason why it won't turn off. It fuses in the on position. If you have the manual it will say which one is the fan relay. just pull it out and get a new one. They are not expensive.
Hope this helps
Posted on Aug 30, 2009
I have a 1999 plymouth grand voyager and the heater is not working. Thermostat is working... I have flushed the system... I have done the programing thing by pushing the rear wiper and rear wash buttons at the same time. The van starts up fine motor warms up to temperature know this because motor is hot and gauge reads normal. I used to be able to slide the temperature control lever to cold and then to warm and i would get warm (not hot like it used to blow) air out the vents for about 5 minutes, now the warm air lasts only seconds. I have been resorting to pushing the recirculate button on the dash just to get the interior of the van warm and that takes 15 minutes after the motor is warmed up
One of two probable problems:
1. The Heater / Air Condition Control is going bad or is bad.
a. Disconnect the negative side of the battery.
b. Remove the Heater / AC face plate off the front. To do this: Remove the two (2) screws on the top lip of the plate.
c. Disconnect the electrical connectors from the rear of the Control Module.
OR
2. The Heater Core is defective and needs to be replaced.
Sorry, but it has to be noted that the dealer or repair shop ($$) can diagnose the system at the Heater / AC Control Module. Also, after you replace this Module: a diagnostic and re-calibration tests are needed to be performed.
Let me know if this helped or if you have additional questions or information. Feel free to contact me at FixYa.com!
Posted on Jan 15, 2010
where is drain plug for radiator on 1999 Plymouth Voyager
Most newer cars do not have drain plug. My 1998 Plymouth and 2000 Chrylser do not have one. You need to remove one side of lower hose to drain.
Posted on Jan 18, 2010
1999 plymouth grand voyager speed sensors location
1999 Plymouth Truck Grand
Voyager 2WD 3.8L MFI 6cyl
* The Vehicle Speed Sensor is located
Mounted on transmission
* The
Sensor - Transmission Speed is located
Mounted on transmission
Hope this help (remember comment and rated this).
Posted on Apr 20, 2010
I need the schematic or diagram for the engine compartment fuse/relay box for a 1999 Plymouth Grand Voyager SE. It is located inside the cover and need it to fix my vehicle. At this point, think it is easier to ascertain nuclear launch codes than it is to find the diagram somewhere. Dodge dealer is no help.
I have to assume you have lost the cover for it, as the schematic/Map, is on the underside of it.
Posted on May 27, 2010
car jerks like mebe bad gas -stop at red light then start to accelerate car start jerkin
Sounds like a basic cylinder miss-fire. Common issues are spark plugs, wires, coil, and fuel injectors,
is the check engine light on when the engine is running ?
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