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Our Cadet 3 toilet is leaking, not from the bowl, the water in the tank goes down. We have replaced the flapper/stopper 3 times. It's only the level in the tank that goes down. We have consulted with Home Depot, where we bought it and a plumbing store and no one knows what to do. We are out of ideas...

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  • Marie Hollingsworth May 27, 2011

    Hello to you too Mr. Guru :)
    No water on the floor or the underside of the tank.
    When the toilet is flushed it fills to the set point which I've marked with a pen.
    If I don't shut the water off to the tank it refills to that point.
    But, if I do shut the water off to the tank the level goes down ...
    Now it wouldn't be that much of a problem except we are on water meters and the rates in this subdivision are ' extremely high '.

  • Marie Hollingsworth May 27, 2011

    Hi Tony,
    The Cadet 3 doesn't have a chain. I know how to work with chain toilets, this is a plastic tower mechanisms. I think the latest flapper is working ' better ' after being in place for several hours. Last night I put food coloring in the tank water to see if it was leaking into the bowl. It didn't leak into the bowl. The water level only went down an inch and we decided that we can live with that.
    Your advice was very good especially the information about the float in your second response. It was the noise of the tank refilling during the night that clued me in to the problem.
    I should mention that we bought a ' knock off ' flapper from Home Depot for $17.00 and it didn't work. Yesterday after checking with them (H.D.) again we went to a plumbing outlet store. The gave us an American Standard flapper for $0.00 and said it was part of the A.S. warranty on their products... what a sock :)
    Thank you for your help but I am so tired of trying to resolve this that essentially I give up!

  • Marie Hollingsworth May 27, 2011

    We have hard water and mineral deposits are a problem. My husband is reluctant to let me pour CLR into the tank so we did clean the seal by hand. The flapper seems to be working pretty well right now. I turned it off again to see how much it goes down.
    Thank you for all your great suggestions. I appreciate all the time you've put into this.
    I'm going to hit the accept the solution now and let deal with more pressing problems.

  • Marie Hollingsworth May 27, 2011

    Iron fist 109 was very helpful and polite.
    Thank you.

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  • When it is filling up does it in fact stop? If so, look down inside the back tank and look where the water fills (the little hose inside a tube in the tank) Does the water go over the edge of that little tube? If so adjust the float so it does not fill quite so high.
  • How much slack is on the flapper chain? If it is very tought it will leave that flapper up just enough to leak some water.
  • If there is to much slack that little chain will get stuck under the flapper and the flapper will not seal properly and leak water.
  • Make sure the handle is not at any extreme angle to where the catch arm (connected to the handle on the inside of the tank) If it is set to low then it will effect the way the flapper settle and flushes.
  • Also make sure the handle flushes and drops back down with ease. If the handle is sticking even just a bit it may prevent the flapper from sealing properly.

Regards, Tony

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    Iron May 27, 2011





    • Another thing, toilet leaks can be deceiving. Sit in earshot of hearing the toilet run for a while. See if out of the blue the toilet just starts running for even a few seconds for no reason. It will be your float needing to be adjusted to lower the fill level or the flap. Or the float needing to be replaced.

    • Also make sure the float is holding its ground. If it does not hold steady above water then the tank will fill intermittently because the float determines when the water begins to fill the tank and when the tank is at capacity.



    Regards,

    Tony

  • Iron
    Iron May 27, 2011





    • There are a few Cadets so sorry about the chain comment. Some have them and some don't. You are right, what a load about the flapper. Water costs these days and the sock is not a part you want going bad on you. Have you looked at the seal that the flapper seals against (against the toilet)? Sometimes they get some mineral deposits on there and then the flapper will not seal right. Take a scratch pad and gently clean it a bit and see if that helps.



    Regards,

    Tony

  • Iron
    Iron May 27, 2011


    • Your very kind. Good luck to you. You've been a great customer. Come back to FixYa anytime :)



    Regards,

    Tony

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Umm hello first of all

Ok so you replaced the flapper 3 times did this remidey the problem at all or just tried 2 more times?

Also it there any water leaking on the floor or the underside of tank were the tank is bolted to the bowl there is a gasket there, also were the fill valve goes in there is a gasket there to if none of these parts are leaking then the tank is not leaking. Or going down possibly not filling correctly have you ajusted the fill valve ?

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