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May I use a VSI controller 50 A with a 4 pole motor?

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  • ifelsa May 23, 2011

    Are you sure?



    I am talking about a
    INVACARE motor 4 brushes model 10821

    Motor resistance 0,4/0,5 ohms

    Brake resistance 40 ohms



    With a VSI controller 50 A



    I have seen some wheelchairs brands using 4 pole motors only with VSI Controllers 70A



  • ifelsa May 27, 2011

    Dear M.Wooring



    I appreciate your reply.

    I had the doubt about if it could affect the VSI controller the fact that the Four Poles Motors could ask more current than the controllers was designed for.

    According to what you say there is no problem so I´ll put the wires properly and I´ll drive it.

    I´let you know.

    Thank you


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What is it that your trying to do? if i know the whole story i might be able to help find a better answer to your problem. from the looks of it i don't see why you can't. make sure you put the wires to the right pole and away you go. take your time and do it right.
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Yes. You can also check other applications of vsi controller at http:www.pgdt.com/pdf/vsi.pdf

Posted on May 23, 2011

  • Angel Joseph Jr.
    Angel Joseph Jr. May 24, 2011

    VSI controllers are available in two power ratings, 50A and 50A with 70A boost. The 70A boost is used when traveling uphill, but still its rating is 50A.

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3
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The VSI has a feature that enables you to lock your power chair to prevent
unauthorized use.
To lock the VSI:
1. With the VSI powered on, press and hold the on/off key. After one (1)
second, the VSI should beep.
2. Release the on/off key.
3. Push the joystick to the full forward position until the VSI beeps.
4. Pull the joystick to the full rearward position until the VSI beeps.
5. Release the joystick. There should be a long beep.
6. The VSI is now locked.
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The VSI has a feature that enables you to
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To lock the VSI:
1. With the VSI switched on, press and hold the on/off key. After 1 second, the VSI should beep.
2. Release the on/off key.
3. Push the joystick to the full forward position until the VSI beeps.
4. Pull the joystick to the full rearward position until the VSI beeps.
5. Release the joystick. There should be a long beep.
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This is taken from the owner's manual from the 1121 with a VSI controller:

I suggest you print this out and keep it handy.

Locking/Unlocking the VSI

The VSI has a feature that enables you to

lock your power chair to prevent unauthorized use.

To lock the VSI:

1. With the VSI switched on, press and hold the on/off key. After 1 second, the VSI should beep.

2. Release the on/off key.

3. Push the joystick to the full forward position until the VSI beeps.

4. Pull the joystick to the full rearward position until the VSI beeps.

5. Release the joystick. There should be a long beep.

6. The VSI is now locked.

To unlock the VSI:

1. Press the on/off key and power on the VSI. The maximum speed/profile indicator should ripple up and down.

2. Push the joystick to the full forward position until the VSI beeps.

3. Pull the joystick to the full rearward position until the VSI beeps.

4. Release the joystick. There should be a long beep.

5. The VSI is now unlocked.
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The VSI has a feature that enables you to

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To lock the VSI:

1. With the VSI switched on, press and hold the on/off key. After 1 second, the VSI should beep.

2. Release the on/off key.

3. Push the joystick to the full forward position until the VSI beeps.

4. Pull the joystick to the full rearward position until the VSI beeps.

5. Release the joystick. There should be a long beep.

6. The VSI is now locked.

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1. Press the on/off key and power on the VSI. The maximum speed/profile indicator should ripple up and down.

2. Push the joystick to the full forward position until the VSI beeps.

3. Pull the joystick to the full rearward position until the VSI beeps.

4. Release the joystick. There should be a long beep.

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delobner,

Sometime we lock our vsi joystick by mistake. Here are the instructions on how to lock and unlock your joystick.

If the problem is still there after write me back and I'll help you.

LOCKING/UNLOCKING THE VSI

The VSI has a feature that enables you to lock your power chair to prevent

unauthorized use.

To lock the VSI:

1. With the VSI powered on, press and hold the on/off key. After one (1)

second, the VSI should beep.

2. Release the on/off key.

3. Push the joystick to the full forward position until the VSI beeps.

4. Pull the joystick to the full rearward position until the VSI beeps.

5. Release the joystick. There should be a long beep.

6. The VSI is now locked.

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LOCKING/UNLOCKING THE VSI

The VSI has a feature that enables you to lock your power chair to prevent

unauthorized use.

To lock the VSI:

1. With the VSI powered on, press and hold the on/off key. After one (1)

second, the VSI should beep.

2. Release the on/off key.

3. Push the joystick to the full forward position until the VSI beeps.

4. Pull the joystick to the full rearward position until the VSI beeps.

5. Release the joystick. There should be a long beep.

6. The VSI is now locked.

To unlock the VSI:

1. Press the on/off key and power on the VSI. The maximum speed/profile
indicator should ripple side to side.

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