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The bobbin winds really loose and uneven and then gets caught up when I'm sewing. I've checked I'm threading it correctly when winding... seems to be worse with polyester and embroidery thread. Help!

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You need to keep tension on the thread spool as you wind the bobbin to avoid this from happening. Also, is there a little tension device to take the thread around between the spool and the bobbin winder? Some machines have a little silver button tensioner purely for bobbin winding to keep the thread flowing smoothly.

But I always do the following anyway just to ensure a smooth bobbin. Take the thread from your spool, through the eyelet or tensioner, then back to the bobbin and put the tail end up through a hole in the top of the bobbin. Now put the bobbin onto the winder and click it against the stop. Place the curved handle of a pair of scissors onto the top of the thread spool and apply some gentle pressure to stop the spool from bouncing and jumping while winding off. Keep doing this through the winding process.

Start the bobbin winding mechanisim, its a button on my Janome 6500, yours might be a little different. HOLD the thread tail until you've got coverage over the whole bobbin area catching the starting point. Stop, trim the thread tail off top of the bobbin with scissors, then restart winding again. Watch as the thread winds and give it a nudge with your finger tip to the top or bottom so the bobbin winds evenly across the whole spool's width.

Best analogy here is when you wind the garden hose onto the reel, if it goes on all over the place you never get the whole length on neatly, but if you wind it on neatly in an even tight coil across the spool, then back again, then repeat, you get a tidy hose. But just wind madly, it all builds up in the middle, you can't get it all onto the reel, and it won't pull out nicely next time you need it. Same thing with your SM thread.

Polyester and silky embroidery threads will be worse too as they are silky, so if the thread hasn't been wound on smoothly and under tension, then it will "collapse" with gravity, then when you use the bobbin, the thread is going to be caught on itself, will feed unevenly and be stretched, then loose, giving you less than perfect stitch tension.

My other bobbin tip is store the bobbins in a plastic bobbin tray so they are lying on their edges and under a cover. Keeps them neater and they are less likely to unwind stray threads around your sewing cabinet if you store them on the spool pins build onto the cabinet door - and it keeps the thread dust free. But I do not keep thread on bobbins for long, prefer to wind a fresh one off a new spool when I start a project and can usually complete a garment with a 3/4 filled bobbin, use the remaining few metres for handsewing, then junk the rest. Then I put the thread spool that is left back into a sealed takeway container to keep it away from UV, dust and moisture.

I hope this assists you with your machine and certainly if this doesn't resolve the bobbin issues, then I'd suggest you visit your dealer and ask them to demonstrate the technique on your machine to see if there is a technical issue with it.

Posted on Apr 11, 2011

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Bobbins wind unevenly- tension issues


Sounds like it is actually the tension on the bobbin winder. Make sure that the thread is following the correct path to the bobbin. Other than getting it repaired, a stand-alone bobbin winder (avlb @ JoAnn's or online) for ~$30 would work. One brand is called the Sidewinder. Verify that your bobbins will work on it because some Singer bobbins will not. It's a nice accessory to have because it saves wear 'n tear on your machine plus you can wind bobbins without unthreading the machine.

FWIW, it is usually better to wind bobbins at a slower speed. Higher speed will tend to make the bobbin jump around and the thread to pop off. In addition, higher speed will tend to stretch the thread going onto the bobbin. The thread will not relax until unwound from the bobbin and stitched into your garment. It may cause the fabric to pucker as the thread relaxes. Slower is better!

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Winding a bobbin correctly


The heart of sewing is producing a well tensioned seam and achieving this with any sewing machine will be difficult if you don't wind a bobbin smoothly and with even tension onto the thread. If you look at your bobbin and the thread on it looks all lumpy and uneven, then this tip is for you.

Each time you wind a bobbin, whatever sewing machine it is on, it is really important to keep even tension on the thread as it winds onto the bobbin. Many machines will have a little tension disc you take the thread around but your technique is important too.

Usually you take the thread from your spool of cotton on the right, across to the left on the top of the machine and around a tension disc, or through a thread eye, then back to the right to your bobbin winding spindle, if your bobbin has holes in it, then pull the thread tail up through a hole and pop it onto the spindle. Engage the spindle by pushing across against the stop. Now start winding SLOWLY while holding the thread tail up in the air until the core of the bobbin has been covered in fully and your thread has covered up the starting point to hold the beginning tail. Stop winding, and trim the tail off against the bobbin with a pair of snips. Now resume winding at 1/2 to 3/4 speed and do two things, one with each hand. With one hand put tension onto the top of the spool you are winding thread off - use the curve of your scissors handle into the indent on top. And with your other hand, give the thread a nudge as it winds onto the bobbin to ensure you wind fully across the whole bobbin evenly. Watch it carefully to ensure that you get a smooth even wind.

An analagy: if you wind the garden hose onto the hose reel really fast and let it go anywhich way, the hose will kink and wind mostly in the middle then the reel's full and you've still got half the hose to put away. Thread is the same, its been wound onto a spool by a machine in a very precise way; you want the same smooth evenly tensioned winding onto your bobbin so that when you stitch out the seam the thread is consistently fed off the bobbin.

Don't be tempted to wind flat out and just let it take its own path as you won't get good smooth bobbins of thread. And if you let the thread come off the spool at a fast pace the spool may bounce around, causing fluctuations in the tension on the thread. When you stich a seam, the thread will relax unevenly in your seam causing puckers and ho hum stitching.

Simple stuff but it makes a difference!

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You need to ensure that the thread is going from the thread spool at the back of the machine, through the eyelet, then around the silver tension disc on top of the machine, then to the bobbin when you are winding it. Also, pull the thread tail up through the hole in your bobbin to start and hold the tail so the thread starts to fill smoothly and doesn't loosen.

I've marked the disc in red on this image
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Please read my Tip on bobbin winding; its really important to get a good wind and you can add more tension yourself by applying gentle pressure to your thread spool on the back pin as you wind off it.
Link is http://www.fixya.com/support/r10598580-winding_bobbin_correctly

The stopping when full is possibly because your bobbin is winding unevenly but I never run it until it stops itself anyway, and do the winding at 3/4 speed, not flat out. You want a really smoothly tensioned even wind onto the bobbin so your thread comes off the bobbin when stitching with even tension, not stretched, then loose.

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I would suggest that you revisit the threading up in your manual and double check that the top thread is under tension.

However, if the stitiching on top of the fabric is wonky, this is your bottom tension too loose, and if stitching on the the underside of the fabric is loose, its the top tension causing it.

Quite often bobbin winding can be the cause of bad stitching so pull out the manual and wind a bobbin carefully following the instructions, making sure that the thread is under gentle tension as it winds. What you don't want is for the thread spool to bounce around as it unwinds onto the bobbin as this gives uneven tension of the thread and when you then stitch a seam, the thread relaxes in different amounts causing puckering.

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Sounds more like the way the bobbin has been wound, is it loose and uneven or tight and smooth. Is it properly into the tension spring? being loose doesn't sound right, a thread under correct bobbin tension is usually pretty firm.

Is it loaded into the bobbin holder the right way ?

Also check the bobbin itself hasn't been damaged in some way, not worn/bent. It needs to turn smoothly in the bobbin holder so if one edge has been bent a little this will cause problems.

When winding bobbins, you must have tension on the thread so it winds smoothly with consistent tension on the thread. Most machines have a little tension disc on top or the thread goes through the regular tensioner in order to achieve this. But I always wind bobbins at about 3/4 speed and also add a little extra tension by holding my scissors handle on top of the thread spool so it doesnt bounce around. Also start winding with a little tail pulled through a hole on top of the bobbin and wind until this starting end is covered, then stop and snip off the tail. Then continue winding and watch the thread, giving it a nudge so that it fills evenly across the bobbin, not just all in the middle.

Think of it like the garden hose reel; if you wind it really fast the hose all goes into the middle of the reel, then jams up and you can't get the whole hose onto it. Same thing, wind smoothly and evenly across the whole depth of the bobbin so that the thread is smooth and even. Then when the thread feeds off it will be smooth evenly tensioned and should stitch out evenly.

There is some good trouble shooting information on this page too which might help you to work out what is causing this thread breakage.
http://sewing.about.com/od/sewingmachineindex/a/mtroubleshot.htm

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I would suggest that you revisit the threading up in your manual and double check that the top thread is under tension.

However, if the stitiching on top of the fabric is wonky, this is your bottom tension too loose, and if stitching on the the underside of the fabric is loose, its the top tension causing it.

Quite often bobbin winding can be the cause of bad stitching so pull out the manual and wind a bobbin carefully following the instructions, making sure that the thread is under gentle tension as it winds. What you don't want is for the thread spool to bounce around as it unwinds onto the bobbin as this gives uneven tension of the thread and when you then stitch a seam, the thread relaxes in different amounts causing puckering.

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Always raise the pressure foot when you thread the machine so the top thread goes into tension fully. And new needle for each new sewing job is really important, make sure it is the right size and type of needle for the fabric you are sewing. if you aren't sure what size is right www.sewing.about.com has great tips and general machine info, plus needle guides.

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If the bottom stitching is uneven, its mostly the top thread not under tension correctly so check the tension dial and the threading up from the thread spool to the needle.

Also, review how you wind a bobbin, you want a nice smooth wind, not twisting or uneven build across the bobbin. The manual for this machine is pretty brief on this but bobbin winding is crucial to getting a good even flow from the bobbin when stitching seams. You want to wind thread smoothly onto the bobbin, across the full width of it, not just mainly in the middle. Give the thread a nudge with your finger tip to fill top and bottom as it winds.

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