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I have a GMP075-3 Rev B. The Thermostat calls for heat, inducer motor comes and the ignitor never lights? The inducer motor continues to run until you shut off the main power supply switch on the wall. The Control Board Blinks 4 times. The info on the back of the removable door discribes a Limit switch problem. The circut layout shows a Limit Switch and Aux. Limit. Should I try to jumb across these switches to see if this corrects the problem? Do these Limit switches have a reset button? Can these switches be purchased at a supply house locally here in Denver?

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  • scjellis Apr 05, 2011

    Thanks, Where should I look for this switch? Will it be on the circut board? Should I trace it using the circut layout on the back of the front panel board? Aux or Limit switch or both? Thanks again for the much needed help!

  • scjellis Apr 05, 2011

    Thanks, Where should I look for this switch? Will it be on the circut board? Should I trace it using the circut layout on the back of the front panel board? Aux or Limit switch or both? Thanks again for the much needed help!

  • scjellis Apr 06, 2011

    It was the limit switch! We are warm again, thanks to your wisdom!
    Thanks a bunch Heatman 101

  • scjellis Apr 06, 2011

    Excellent help. A little guidance can go a long way to help the little guy's. Thanks.

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Hi,
Yes you have a limit switch problem and most do have a reset button.
There will be a little red button between the wires that you will have to push in to reset it.
If the switc h keep skicking then find out why it is doing that. It have have kicked because of a power failure though...
Those switches also are very common and any Goodman dealer near you will have the part...there should be no problem finding a dealer in the denver area.

heatman101

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    D. Floyd Kolb Apr 05, 2011

    The limit switches will be separate from the circuit board....you can find them by following the wiring on the back of the panel...

    The one that probably needs reset is the Aux. limit....

    It could be that the regular high limit is stuck open also...



    heatman101

  • D. Floyd Kolb
    D. Floyd Kolb Apr 06, 2011

    You very welcome!!!
    Please accept my answer... your feedback is much appreciated!!

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