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Posted on Jan 02, 2017

SOURCE: I have 2-240V (4.2V) basebaord heaters, Need Wiring Diagram

nothing wrong w/ 10/3 @ 20A. use the red and black and don't use the white. dosent matter which is which (blk and red).

Posted on Mar 22, 2009

SOURCE: dimplex baseboard heater wiring

no does not matter but you must have a ground leg

Posted on Feb 24, 2009

SOURCE: Electric baseboard heat not getting hot

Is your fuse box and main power source large enough to handle the full load if all are turned on at the same time? Are you uses two pole breakers? you might only be feeding with 110 volt. This would prevent them from getting very hot.

Posted on Mar 08, 2009

SOURCE: WHAT SIZE BREAKER IS NEEDED FOR 240 VOLT ELECTRIC BASEBOARD HEATE

If there is a 15 amp breaker on this circuit now. Then I would assume the the wire to this breaker is only capable of handling that size and NOTHING larger. There are to many variables. You need to know the maximum amp draw rating of the device. The wire size going back to the service entrance (fuse box). You will also need to know the total power draw of the service entrance to determine if the box can handle the total load. Are there any other branches off of this circuit? I suggest that you get advice from an electrician. If you overload the circuit, you may think everything is ok. But you can cause a major problem. I do not think that you want to take the chance of overloading a circuit. This can cause a fire and or death. Have this inspected by a professional. If you insist on doing it yourself.... contact your local building inspector for guidance.

Posted on Apr 26, 2009

In a traditional North American residential electrical panel (120/240 volt, single phase), installing a single width or single pole circuit breaker, you would expect to read 120 volts from the breaker terminal screw to either ground or neutral. A double width or double pole breaker would provide 120 volts from either of the breaker terminal screws to ground or neutral AND it will provide 240 volts BETWEEN the TWO breaker terminals.

A single-width circuit breaker case that contains two handles is NOT a two pole circuit breaker (these are called "tandem" or "1/2 size" breakers). This is because a single width breaker engages only one "line" in the panel. A double width breaker will engage 2 "lines" as a triple width breaker would engage 3 "lines" of a 3 phase panel. A single wide breaker can not physically engage more than 1 "line" so it will never be able to pass 240 volts.

You must install a double width / double pole breaker to safely supply a 240 volt circuit / device.

A single-width circuit breaker case that contains two handles is NOT a two pole circuit breaker (these are called "tandem" or "1/2 size" breakers). This is because a single width breaker engages only one "line" in the panel. A double width breaker will engage 2 "lines" as a triple width breaker would engage 3 "lines" of a 3 phase panel. A single wide breaker can not physically engage more than 1 "line" so it will never be able to pass 240 volts.

You must install a double width / double pole breaker to safely supply a 240 volt circuit / device.

Mar 15, 2014 | GE 20 Amp 1 In Double Pole Circuit Breaker...

If you have (90) 50w lamps = 4500 watts total. Assuming a 120/240 panel, if you put 1/2 on one "side" of the panel and the other 1/2 on the other "side" of the panel, that would be 2250 watts on each half. The generator should be rated *at least* 125% of the load; 4500w x 1.25 = 5625W. Using a 4500W generator on this load will cause it to overheat and shorten its life as it is running at 100% of capacity all the time..

One half of the panel is 120V to neutral, and the other is 120V to neutral - or 240V between both circuit breaker terminals. Ohms law for DC circuits and purely resistive AC circuits says Volts x Amps = Watts; or Watts / Volts = Amps. So, 2250W / 120V = 18.75A on each pole of a 2 pole circuit breaker that feeds the sub panel. A #12 copper wire is rated for 20 amps; but as per National Electrical Code - must be de-rated to 80% of rating which means it is good up to 16 amps maximum. A #10 copper wire is rated for 30 amps, but it too must be derated to 80%, making it good for 24 amps maximum. So, if you are going to feed a sub panel supplying (90) 50watt lamps, you will need to run a #10/3 copper cable from a two pole 30 amp circuit breaker at the generator to a 120/240 volt "main lug only" sub panel rated for at least 30 amps.

Divide your load evenly across the sub panel - (4) 15 amps circuits via (2) two pole 15 amp circuit breakers on each "side" of the panel if you run (2) 14/3 cables out to the lights - or (4) single pole 15 amp circuit breakers if you run (4) 14/2 cables out to the lights. No circuit breaker terminal should have more than 23 lamps that means you have (2) w/ 22 lamps and (2) with 23 lamps. The circuit w/ 23 lamps will draw 23 lamps x 50w = 1150W. 1150W / 120V = 9.6A. The 22 lamp load will be 22 x 50w = 1100W. 110W / 120V = 9.2A. Which is well within the 12A maximum allowed (after derating as required by code) by a #14 copper wire rated for 15A.

Good luck!

One half of the panel is 120V to neutral, and the other is 120V to neutral - or 240V between both circuit breaker terminals. Ohms law for DC circuits and purely resistive AC circuits says Volts x Amps = Watts; or Watts / Volts = Amps. So, 2250W / 120V = 18.75A on each pole of a 2 pole circuit breaker that feeds the sub panel. A #12 copper wire is rated for 20 amps; but as per National Electrical Code - must be de-rated to 80% of rating which means it is good up to 16 amps maximum. A #10 copper wire is rated for 30 amps, but it too must be derated to 80%, making it good for 24 amps maximum. So, if you are going to feed a sub panel supplying (90) 50watt lamps, you will need to run a #10/3 copper cable from a two pole 30 amp circuit breaker at the generator to a 120/240 volt "main lug only" sub panel rated for at least 30 amps.

Divide your load evenly across the sub panel - (4) 15 amps circuits via (2) two pole 15 amp circuit breakers on each "side" of the panel if you run (2) 14/3 cables out to the lights - or (4) single pole 15 amp circuit breakers if you run (4) 14/2 cables out to the lights. No circuit breaker terminal should have more than 23 lamps that means you have (2) w/ 22 lamps and (2) with 23 lamps. The circuit w/ 23 lamps will draw 23 lamps x 50w = 1150W. 1150W / 120V = 9.6A. The 22 lamp load will be 22 x 50w = 1100W. 110W / 120V = 9.2A. Which is well within the 12A maximum allowed (after derating as required by code) by a #14 copper wire rated for 15A.

Good luck!

Mar 10, 2014 | Electrical Supplies

Hayward has manuals for each type heater, gas and electric.

http://www.hayward-pool.com/prd/In-Ground-Pool-Manuals_10201_10551_14502_-1___I.htm

Hayward also has contact page, and can probably recommend correct change-over product.

You want to switch from propane to heat-pump type.

There are likely 3 areas of difference. Read each manual and generally look for 1) unit size and capability to match spa 2) pipe connections and sizes 3) Electrical requirement

From electrical standpoint, You need GFCI-protected line from circuit breaker box, or GFCI (arc-fault) breaker. This will prevent electrocution risk around spa.

http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-wire-GFCI.html

Wire sizes are based on volts and watt-rating of heater.

Each electrical device has rating plate showing volts and watts.

3500 watts divided by 240 volts = 14.5 amps so install double-pole 20 amp breaker and use 12 gauge wire.

1500 watts divided by 120 volts = 12.5 amps so install sinle-pole 20 amp breaker and 12 gauge wire.

http://waterheatertimer.org/Color-codewire.html

http://www.hayward-pool.com/prd/In-Ground-Pool-Manuals_10201_10551_14502_-1___I.htm

Hayward also has contact page, and can probably recommend correct change-over product.

You want to switch from propane to heat-pump type.

There are likely 3 areas of difference. Read each manual and generally look for 1) unit size and capability to match spa 2) pipe connections and sizes 3) Electrical requirement

From electrical standpoint, You need GFCI-protected line from circuit breaker box, or GFCI (arc-fault) breaker. This will prevent electrocution risk around spa.

http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-wire-GFCI.html

Wire sizes are based on volts and watt-rating of heater.

Each electrical device has rating plate showing volts and watts.

3500 watts divided by 240 volts = 14.5 amps so install double-pole 20 amp breaker and use 12 gauge wire.

1500 watts divided by 120 volts = 12.5 amps so install sinle-pole 20 amp breaker and 12 gauge wire.

http://waterheatertimer.org/Color-codewire.html

Oct 28, 2012 | Raypak Spapak Electric Spa Heater -...

A number 12 copper supply cable at the voltage is overkill for this load.

Ohm's Law states: Watts = Volts x Amps. To find Amps: Amps = Watts / Volts. This is 1500W / 240V = 6.25 Amps. Since the max continuous load for a 14 copper is 12 Amps, this size wire is the correct size.

Check to make sure the heater is in fact a 240 volt type, as if it is a 120 volt type, you are likely instantly burning out the heating element. If it is indeed a 120 volt heater, you will need to connect to a single pole 15 amp breaker and place the other wire that was on the breaker to neutral to provide the correct voltage. The load will still be 1500W, but at half the voltage, the current will double to 12.5 amps, and may cause the circuit breaker to trip after a while.

I hope this helps & good luck.

Ohm's Law states: Watts = Volts x Amps. To find Amps: Amps = Watts / Volts. This is 1500W / 240V = 6.25 Amps. Since the max continuous load for a 14 copper is 12 Amps, this size wire is the correct size.

Check to make sure the heater is in fact a 240 volt type, as if it is a 120 volt type, you are likely instantly burning out the heating element. If it is indeed a 120 volt heater, you will need to connect to a single pole 15 amp breaker and place the other wire that was on the breaker to neutral to provide the correct voltage. The load will still be 1500W, but at half the voltage, the current will double to 12.5 amps, and may cause the circuit breaker to trip after a while.

I hope this helps & good luck.

Sep 25, 2012 | Heating & Cooling

9500 watts is a lot of watts ... are you sure this is what is required?

Also missisng is the voltage you will be using.

Typically, a circuit of 120 volts at 20 amps is 2400 watts while 240 volts at 20 amps is 4800 watts. Either circuit would run on number 12 wire protected by a 20 amp breaker (single or double pole). You want to service a 10,000 watt load.

I am not a electrical engineer ... I think you should review the material that came with your shower and follow the manufacturers recommendation. Please read on ...

Number 8 wire should be good for 50 amp capacity. 50A X 240V = 12,000 watts. However, the distance the wire must run is also a consideration.

If this were my installation, I would beef the wire up to the next size. i.e., if the manufacturer says #8 wire, I would use #6 wire

Other things you should consider is whether the installation requires a GFI or other special breaker and special shut off switch and its location.

I hope to have steered you in the proper direction ...

Thanks for using FixYa.com

Also missisng is the voltage you will be using.

Typically, a circuit of 120 volts at 20 amps is 2400 watts while 240 volts at 20 amps is 4800 watts. Either circuit would run on number 12 wire protected by a 20 amp breaker (single or double pole). You want to service a 10,000 watt load.

I am not a electrical engineer ... I think you should review the material that came with your shower and follow the manufacturers recommendation. Please read on ...

Number 8 wire should be good for 50 amp capacity. 50A X 240V = 12,000 watts. However, the distance the wire must run is also a consideration.

If this were my installation, I would beef the wire up to the next size. i.e., if the manufacturer says #8 wire, I would use #6 wire

Other things you should consider is whether the installation requires a GFI or other special breaker and special shut off switch and its location.

I hope to have steered you in the proper direction ...

Thanks for using FixYa.com

Jan 04, 2012 | Home

If you consider doing this the first thing is **SHUT THE MAIN BREAKER OFF**. Use an auxiliary light source to see when working in a dead panel. Always keep in mind an **ARC FLASH ACROSS HOT MAINS HAS ENOUGH HEAT TO PEAL THE SKIN OFF OF YOU**.
Before an explanation of how to do it you should keep in mind that this
is for a single receptacle only. If any other receptacles are on the
same circuit they will also be changed to 240 volt receptacles and if
you plug any 120 volt device into them, the 120 volt device will be
destroyed. That said OK, any 120 volt outlet can be changed to 240 volt
by removing the 120 volt circuits neutral, re identifying the white wire
with red or black phase tape and connecting it to a **new** 2 pole
15 amp breaker. The maximum that this circuit will now load up to is, on
#14 wire at 80% = 12 amps at 240 volts. The 120V receptacle must be
changed to a 15A - 240V receptacle so that 120 volt devices can not be
plugged into it. Never use 2 single pole breakers together because code
requires that on a fault trip both legs of the 240V circuit must be
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Sep 07, 2011 | Whirlpool Dryers

Yes, the timer motor is 120 volt, so connect both neutrals from each separate 120 volt circuit to the "A" terminal. Probably best to place all the neutrals (line and load) under a wirenut with a jumper going to the "A" terminal. The terminals are intended for only two wires.

One hot will go to terminal #1 and the other will go to terminal #3. The 120 volt timer motor is connected internally at the factory to the "A" terminal and terminal #1.

One hot will go to terminal #1 and the other will go to terminal #3. The 120 volt timer motor is connected internally at the factory to the "A" terminal and terminal #1.

Dec 07, 2010 | Intermatic T104M 208-277Volt 40-amp Timer...

Yes, a 20-amp, double pole breaker will easily support that heater.

The calculation:

Watts = Volts x Amps

750 watts = 240 volts * x

x = 3.1 Amps

Charlie

The calculation:

Watts = Volts x Amps

750 watts = 240 volts * x

x = 3.1 Amps

Charlie

Aug 22, 2009 | Heating & Cooling

no does not matter but you must have a ground leg

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