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Can i run new hot water return line back to hot water system

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Open following link to view how recirculation system looks:
http://waterheatertimer.org/Water-heater-recirculation-system.html

Ordinarily the cold water line is used to complete recirculation loop.
There is no reason why you cannot run separate line back to water heater instead of using cold water line.
The Grundfos system comes with crossover piece that connects hot-and-cold lines at furthest faucet.
Instead of connecting between hot-and-cold line, simply connect hot to your new hot water return line.

When your new line arrives back at water heater, it must connect to cold water inlet so return water is directed to bottom of water heater.
For critical safety concerns, do not remove TP valve to install new water inlet.
Nor is it best to use extra plug on top of tank to install new water inlet, unless you also install dip tube that directs water to bottom of tank.
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-it-works.html
In the case of tankless water heater, return line must be connected to cold water inlet also.

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Posted on Mar 14, 2011

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You can install direct return line that cycles hot water directly back through drain valve on water heater, so hot water circulates independently from the cold water line. This system means cold water is available immediately, and also hot water is available immediately, but means installing additional plumbing line, and removing water heater drain valve. Removing plastic drain valve will probably break off and require hammer, big screwdriver, torch, and 7/8" drill to remove broken pieces.
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Hot cold water


Question is not 100% clear.
System is not described.
Hot water will come out of cold tap of you have recirculation system.
Without a direct return line, the cold water pipe is filled with hot water.
So hot water is available immediately, but you wait for cold water when recirculation system is on.
http://waterheatertimer.org/Water-heater-recirculation-system.html

If you install a direct return line, then cold water line is not used for recirculation, and cold water is available immediately.
Another possible solution, depending on problem, is to use timer instead of thermostat to control recirculation system. Using the timer means hot water is inside the cold pipe only when the timed operation is running. This will let you have immediate cold water.
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