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Anonymous Posted on Jan 07, 2011

Should i have a continuity reading from the power lug on my 9n starter to the frame? i have removed the slipcover and the armature turns freely but when i put a battery charger set on jump across it it does nothing

  • Anonymous Jan 07, 2011

    What is the reading in ohms between power lug and frame ?

    Charlie

  • Anonymous Jan 08, 2011

    this is a 6 volt ground and the resistance is .12 ohms between the power lug and frame

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Is this 6 or 12 volt? also is this positive ground or negative ground? if you pull the starter and put it on a bench ( lets say this is neg ground and 12 volts) put red charger clamp on the post and touch the black clamp to the casing (where it bolts up) it should turn over. things would be hooked different if its 6 volt or if its pos ground

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    The resistance value sounds like it's in the right range. Are you sure your charger is working properly ?

    Charlie

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I grew up with this model of tractor. Always a pain to start because of the 6 volt system. If I remember correctly, this unit does not have a solenoid on the starter. Have you looked at your brushes? What does the commutator look like (where the brushes make contact with the armature). Do you smell burnt electrical if you put your nose close to it? Have you tried a battery directly connected to the starter? Your starter switch, does it pass the battery voltage? I know these are a lot of questions, but this is what I would check. We constantly burnt out starters on our unit. I am thinking that you have a burnt out starter, or there is a open in wiring internally. We solved our problem by converting our 6 volt positive ground with 6 volt generator to a 12 volt negative ground with a 12 volt alternator. We changed the ignition coil for a 12 volt coil and the light bulbs to 12 volts. An small alternator fit beautifully where the generator was. We left the starter as 6 volt. The idea was that the tractor would start way faster and therefore the starter burning out was not a consideration. If it did, we were going to adapt a 12 volt starter. We never did. The conversion to 12 volts was the best thing we ever did for that tractor. This was done in the early 1970's, it is still starting and running great.

The questions are for verifying that the starter is the problem. A battery charger may not give enough amps to turn the armature. Try a battery with booster cables. Let us know if what you discover.

joe

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