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My GE refrigerator: TFX30PRYEAA. PROBLEM: No matter where the freezer temp is set via the slider bar, the unit runs until the temp is approx. 7 below zero. If the slider is posioned to the far left, the unit WILL shut off - and then when positioned anywhere else, it runs as described above. One possibility is that the the CONTROL TEMP component has failed....but another possibility is that whatever electrical conponent (rheostat?) is affected by the movement of the slider bar has failed (the mechanical connection between the slider bar and any electrical component if affects is not visible to me). What do you think?

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  • wsigler Nov 08, 2010

    Before I jump to replacing it, please describe to me how the FREEZER slider bar is mechanically connected to the part. I can see that moving the REFRIGERATOR slider bar turns a knob on top of that part - but when I move the Freezer slider bar, I can't see any mechanical connection to it. The user's manual says the refrig. slider bar just controls the amount of air going to the frig - and the freezer slider is what controls the temp - yet - as i said, I can see no mechanocal connection from it to the part you identified. If the frig slider just controls air flow, why is there a mechanical connection to the part?

  • wsigler Nov 08, 2010

    Haven't been able to get a response to my comment on solution described. Please read problem description, answer provided, and my comment on that answer.

  • wsigler Nov 08, 2010

    Ginko - My intent was NOT to give negative feedback!!! I was only frustrated in not getting an answer to my comment. You have my apology if this has caused you any problem with FIXYA. It was very unfortunate that yoou just happened to be typing a reply when I ran out of patience. Please - if you can find that GE manual, I'd very much appreciate it.
    Wayne

  • wsigler Nov 08, 2010

    No, you didn't answer my question. I want to know how the FREEZER temperature control slider bar is connected to the part you say I need to replace. When I look insude the frig , I can see how the REFRIGERATOR temperature control slider bar connects to the top of the part you are talking about - but I can NOT see how the FREEZER slider bar mechanically connects to it. Sice the FREEZER slider is what controls the temperature, it MUST mechanically connect to the part somehow - or else it connects to some OTHER part that then connects to the part you are talking about.

  • wsigler Nov 08, 2010

    I also have another question. When I look at pictures of the part you say I need to replace (Part # WR9X521), they show a small box with a very long (about 20 inches) "wire" ( I think it's called a capillary tube) attached to one side of it. (I'm looking at pictures on other websites, not the one you gave me because it has no picture). BUT - when I look at the part that is in my frig now, it has a "coil" looking thing attached to it. The coil has about 4 or 5 turns, is about one and a half inches in diameter, and only sticks out about an inch. You can see what it looks like if you use the link you gave me for the Damper Assembly because it shows the part you say I need and shows it attached to the Damper. So - my question is how is the part you say I need going to work with this long wire/tube attached? Where would that wire be placed? Would I have to curl it up to make it fit in the small space in that area?

  • wsigler Nov 08, 2010

    Thanks for picking this up again...No, your picture doesn't at all resemble what I have. I don't know if I've made myself clear on what I'm trying to determine. My first guess at the problem was the same as yours....the Cold Control part - BUT - what bothers me is that there doesn't appear to be any mechanical connection from the FREEZER slider bar ( the little lever you move to set temp) to the Cold Control part. There IS, however, a visible mechanical connection betweeen the REFRIGERATOR slider bar and that part. Moving that slider results in turning a know that protrudes from the top of the part. So - my concern is that there is a possibility that WHATEVER component the FREEZER slider bar attaches to may be faulty.

    Another question/problem that has cropped up is that I've found several pictures on websites other than the one you gave me a link to - that show a long (approx. 25 inches) "wire" (or maybe it's called a capillary tube?) attached to the Cold Control part. The wire/tube is shown just loosely placed in the vicinity of the part - not shaped in any particular way......BUT - when I look at the Cold Control part in my frig right now, there is no such wire.tube. Instead, there's a tightly coiled, heavier-looking gage wire/tube that is tightly coiled into about an inch and a half diameter and only has about 3-4 turns. So - I'm worried there may be an incompatibility here...
    The Cold Control part # is WR9X521 and pics can be seen on Amazon.com.

  • wsigler Nov 08, 2010

    OK - I understand the first part of your description about how the slider rotates the knob on the Cold Control. What you failed to mention, however, is that the slider that rotates this knob is the REFRIGERATOR temp slider. I was already aware how that works becuse i can look insude the frig and actually see the knob turn. That's working just fine. My question has to do with the OTHER slider - the FREEZER slider. When I move it, there does not appear to be any mechanicall connection to the Cold Control. I can't see where it connects to ANYTHING because the way it's all put together in there does not allow direct visibility to what is going on when I move the slider. But, it obviously is mechanically attached to SOMETHING....and that SOMETHING either directly controls the temperature - or that SOMETHING is somehow connected to the Cold Control - becaus it's the Cold Control part that actually controls the temp, right?

  • wsigler Nov 08, 2010

    I can't see my last comment to you in my comment history. Did your get the one where I started off with something like 'I'm not sure I made myself clear...."?

  • wsigler Nov 08, 2010

    OK - I think we're almost done here. Just one last question: Are there any electrical parts in the damper assembly - or is that assemmbly all mechanical stuff? I know there's electrical components in the Cold Control (Part 424) - but are there any in any other part of the damper assembly?

  • wsigler Nov 08, 2010

    OK thank you for your patience....and goodbye....

  • wsigler Nov 08, 2010

    It took a few hours of message exchanges, but I am satisfied with the result and very much appreciate the patience of the person who helped me.

  • wsigler Nov 09, 2010

    Yes , you did get me off in the right direction - and I would have much preferred to work with you - who are obviously well-educated as evidenced, in part, by your not butchering the king's english. I'm sorry I pulled the trigger so fast to get someone else - and I attemped to get FIXYA to remove the "bad mark" against you - but they said that "system limitations" precluded it. Good fortune to you on your future sessions....
    Wayne

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We have here below the part layout of your model. In this you can clearly see the two parts you have questions about. The first is the parts 426, Damper assembly
Part Number: AP2060490 made by GE

Which is mechanically control the air from freezer to refrigerator section?

And the parts no 424 Control, temp Part Number: AP2061722 made by GE, which is the thermostat that control the compressor and the temperature in freezer department. This is the part you have to be replaced. This one of most frequent problems in fridges like yours since this thermostats are acting as an electrical switch and form long time use their contact are became stuck and they cannot switch properly On or Off the compressor. In your case is stuck in the on position that is why is get lower than 0 degrees.

http://www.appliancepartspros.com/partsearch/model.aspx?model_id=229125&diagram_id=20530028#d20530028

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    espressonist Nov 08, 2010

    qwestion responce ok

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    espressonist Nov 08, 2010

    If you look to the picture of part no 443 Rack gear control l/s
    Part Number: AP2065541 made by GE, which is the part you call slider, so when you move this part it rotate part no 428 , Gear pinion r/s Part Number: AP2060492 made by GE. This gear is acting as a knob and it rotate the thermostat control part no 424 Control, temp Part Number: AP2061722 made by GE.


    As you understand you may move left and write but actually you rotate the thermostat.

    So you need to check if the above gear is in good condition and probably is then you just need to replace the thermostat control.

    All above parts are in the link we have mentioned before but we have again below.

    http://www.appliancepartspros.com/partse...

    If you look to the picture of part no 443 Rack gear control l/s
    Part Number: AP2065541 made by GE, which is the part you call slider, so when you move this part it rotate part no 428 , Gear pinion r/s Part Number: AP2060492 made by GE. This gear is acting as a knob and it rotate the thermostat control part no 424 Control, temp Part Number: AP2061722 made by GE.

    As you understand you may move left and write but actually you rotate the thermostat.

    So you need to check if the above gear is in good condition and probably is then you just need to replace the thermostat control.

    All above parts are in the link we have mentioned before but we have again below.

    http://www.appliancepartspros.com/partsearch/model.aspx?model_id=229125&diagram_id=20530028#d20530028

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    espressonist Nov 08, 2010

    Yes correct it is called capillary. The same thermostat is used in different refrigerator models. In some the capillary is located with capillary extended straight and is some other it is a coil form as you described. When you receive the thermostat in its box will be in the coil shape so you don't have to worry. But in any case you have to take care how to handle this capillary. You can straight it up or bend it but with smooth pressing of your hands and with wide curves since if accidentally be presses in small diameter bended this can be brake the capillary and since this factory set as one unit with thermostat it can be damaged. So just take care of this capillary.



    Yes correct it is called capillary. The same thermostat is used in different refrigerator models. In some the capillary is located with capillary extended straight and is some other it is a coil form as you described. When you receive the thermostat in its box will be in the coil shape so you don't have to worry. But in any case you have to take care how to handle this capillary. You can straight it up or bend it but with smooth pressing of your hands and with wide curves since if accidentally be presses in small diameter bended this can be brake the capillary and since this factory set as one unit with thermostat it can be damaged. So just take care of this capillary.


  • espressonist
    espressonist Nov 08, 2010

    So first you should remove the existing thermostat, try to take a photo how it is installed in its place and the you should prepare the new thermostat in the same way as the excising one.

    So first you should remove the existing thermostat, try to take a photo how it is installed in its place and the you should prepare the new thermostat in the same way as the excising one.

  • espressonist
    espressonist Nov 08, 2010

    As we have mention there are two identical sliders - part no 443 Rack gear control l/s
    Part Number: AP2065541 made by GE .


    First it rotate mechanically as you describe the parts 426, Damper assembly
    Part Number: AP2060490 made by GE and this control the Refrigerator temperature.


    The second it rotate the thermostat control part no 424 Control, temp Part Number: AP2061722 made by GE. And this control the capacitor and thus the FREEZER temperature.

    As we have mention there are two identical sliders - part no 443 Rack gear control l/s
    Part Number: AP2065541 made by GE .

    First it rotate mechanically as you describe the parts 426, Damper assembly
    Part Number: AP2060490 made by GE and this control the Refrigerator temperature.

    The second it rotate the thermostat control part no 424 Control, temp Part Number: AP2061722 made by GE. And this control the capacitor and thus the FREEZER temperature.

  • espressonist
    espressonist Nov 08, 2010

    The wires are connected on the back of the thermostat control. There not any other wires. Just remember these are live power wires with 120V. So remember to completely unplug the fridge before doing anything

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  • GE Master
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Hi.

The symptoms are those of a faulty temperature control. The part is a type of rheostat sensible to temperature (variable thermostat or variable temp. sensor, in short temp control).

Here the part: TFX30PRYEAA Temperature Control.

The part is indicated with number 424 in the diagram below. Click on the picture to enlarge.

My GE refrigerator: TFX30PRYEAA. PROBLEM: - ginko_1.gif


Here all parts and diagram for this model.

Regards.

Ginko.

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    Ginko Nov 08, 2010

    Re:"The user's manual says the refrig. slider bar just controls the amount
    of air going to the frig - and the freezer slider is what controls the
    temp"

    Temperature in the fridge (fresh food) is controlled and lowered only pumping air from the freezer. The temperature control sends data to an electronic module, and this determines the time the damper fan stays on. The fresh food temperature control does not operate the fan directly. As you may assume reading the sentence above.

    Regarding the mechanical problems possibly associated with the control, I would need service manual. I have access to any Whirlpool, Kenmore and Maytag appliance, but I do not have access to GE . database. I have about fifty manuals for GE refrigerator. I will see if I can find a similar model. That may take a while.

  • Ginko
    Ginko Nov 08, 2010

    What the ...I was typing and I got my help refused with a bad feedback.!

    Fortunately I did not waste any time in looking for documentation.

    On your request the problem will be passed to other expert.

    Good luck and goodbye.

    Ginko.

  • Ginko
    Ginko Nov 08, 2010

    Hi.

    Check if it is like the one in picture below:



    The temp. control is a thermostatic variable switch that closes when the fresh food compartment temp. is more than the one that you set with control bar. When closed, the temperature control provides 110V to the defrost control and damper fan (ventilation). Contrarily to what said in first model I do not think this model has electronically controlled fan, in that case the temp control is electronic (console), and there is a board controlling damper motor, on this model there is no such part. The defrost control contains a motor/cam mechanism that switches the defrost control between defrost mode and cooling mode. When in cooling mode, the defrost control provides 110V to the fans.

  • Ginko
    Ginko Nov 09, 2010

    Hi.

    I am sorry I could not provide better help on this. I hope I gave a good start.

    I am glad to hear that the other expert could fix it.

    Have a good day.

    Ginko.

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