Worcester (Bosch) Greenstar HE Combi Boiler question

'Makers' aren't just plumbers. They're a general contractor and are doing
the whole lot - new kitchens, bathrooms and toilets and decs to communal
staircases etc. And actually, the plumbers have been pretty good, as have
most of the skilled guys.

As I said, apart from the low flow-rate the boiler is fine. I've just had my
first gas bill since it was fitted and it's about 30% less for this time of
year.

It's just that we've had so much bullshit from some of the workmen, the Site
Manager and the Council and broken promises from the consulting architect,
Sprunt, re: what we were getting, that we're gravely suspicious of any
rumour alleging we're being ripped off.

There was also a huge amount of mistrust generated by the way they handled
the "Options Appraisal" part of the process, with a survey that would have
conned us into voting for major works without realising we'd be moved out
for them! The consultant was CAPITA in those days, which explains a lot.

In the end we formed a working group and took the survey over. We weren't
supposed to know we could do that - and when our fully informative survey
came back - surprise, surprise - a huge majority had voted for Option One,
which was as much of the package as could be done without us having to be
moved out. We'd have ended up spread all over the country with the housing
shortage in London!

And then, just before the works were due to start, the Council's new Project
Manager started acting with extreme hostility to the Working Group and
more-or-less bullied it into non-existence - or rather it's down to one
person now. Me!

It is as it's always been - the usual "You thick tenant - me big
professional" routine - except we've got all sorts of professionals on this
estate - even the one and only lady Goldsmith of the City of London! - and
every other art, craft, trade and profession going as well. (Except the
oldest. We did have one of those but she got evicted!  ;o)

Makers and the Council still choose not to accept this and instead like to
go by the right-wing press stereotypes of council tenants, i.e., single mums
who had their babies deliberately to get a flat and are on benefits and
drugs and families consisting of hooligans and criminals! - and when they
realise this ain't so, they behave as though it's our fault!

Add to that the fact that the Council Officers involved live out in the
sticks with large mortgages around their necks, have to commute to their
work in smelly, overcrowded trains and hate our guts because we live in
low(ish) rent, central London properties, and you can see what we're up
against.

I really resent this attitude. I didn't get this flat because of any
privilege or scam. I inherited the tenancy after my mother died, and believe
me, I'd much rather be out in the sticks paying off a large mortgage like
them with her still around!

So

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message

You have never seen one, or seen one in action.  Have a look at the Alpha
CD50.  Must niceness to be seen.

Thanks. I'll forward this to the Council's Idiot-In-Charge!

Nope. 2 litres - and yes - it is a dribble.

In article ,
   nemo wrote:

Much as I decry combis, even the worst should do better than that.

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The flow from the kitchen tap seems reasonable, but because of its
constricting nozzle and a sharp 90% downturn at the end of the spout, has a
terrible whistle. That's another thing I've been complaining to the buggers
about. It sets off my Tinnitus something rotten!

The pratt who designed the tap obviously knew all about what would look
trendy and fashionable, but knew bugger-all about hydrodynamics!

Add to that the tiny sink, banging waste pipe, gritty paintwork, crooked
architraves, a badly cracked kitchen unit that was patched up and used
anyway and could have fallen off the wall onto my head!! - and the floor
covering bubbling up, and I'm beginning to think a bunch of chimpanzees on
heroin could have done a better job!

Not to mention a long stream of bullshit that Private Walker or Dell Boy
would have been proud of!

Nemo

In article <3Jbse.10192$Vo6.8 @fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
   nemo wrote:

No it's not. You may DIY in your own home if competent.

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In article ,
   Doctor Evil wrote:

This will be your idea of a bath - just big enough for a PORG and 'filled'
to about 6" worth of tepid water?

Have you ever seen a bath? Or had one?

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    Dave Plowman        d @davenoise.co.uk           London SW
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Sounds like some of the workmen who've been up here!  :o)

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message

This man does indeed live in a flat!

It's in Crowndale Court, Somers Town, London and the block was built in
1958. Bricks over a concrete and RSJ frame construction. Very solid. Too
damned solid. You can hear a coin drop two floors up!

And now they also want to use a diamond drill to drill a 4" holes through
the load-supporting concrete beams above the kitchen and bathroom windows to
fit the extractor fans! They say the regulations allow this as long as the
hole is in the bottom 1/3rd of the beam. Compare the expense of this with
fitting the fans in the window panes as usual.

On a DIY programme on TV they said the regs forbade drilling any sort of
hole in a load-bearing member.

I think it's actually a crafty way of demolishing the block to put up a
hotel. We're a two minute walk from the Cross Channel Rail Link!

Nemo

DIY gas is illegal! Gas Act 1969!  Although I don't see how short-legged
little dogs could do any better.

I didn't know any sailors, ducky, but I do understand from the ghost of the
highly steamed Mr. Spike Milligan, that nowadays they have Government Health
Warnings printed on the tails of their shirts. It's more humane than
tattooing it in the operative location!

And I do remember that the only fast food chains we had were Lyons, based on
the NAAFI, or as we called them, Lyonziz - beans on toast and a cuppa tea
for a shillin (5p)! - and Black and While Milk Bars. Art Deco and full of
spotty teenagers before they were even called that.

And don't forget steaming gins, trams, trolleybuses, getting engulfed in
steam from goods trains when standing on the gratings in the middle of
Euston Road, blood and custard BR Scammel artics, small 3-wheeled Scammel
vans - there were hundreds of those about - bicycles with small engines
inside the back wheel or atop the front, listening to The Goon Show on the
Home Service on a Ferguson valve wireless on top of the meat-safe in the
kitchen, British motorbikes that sounded like motorbikes instead of sewing
machines, . . . . . the end is listless!

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message



I don't want everyone living in my flat. It'd be far too overcrowded!

Nemo
(Still confused)

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message

I told you he has never seen one. The Alpha CD50 fills a bath as fast as any
cylinder system.  Ideal, Potterton, Eco-Hometec, Viessmann, etc fills baths
within a couple of minutes.

I wonder how he is getting on with his electric cabers?

Amazing! Here is man who has to be told blow by blow how to flush out rads
and now knows all about water heating.  Amazing!

He has never seen one.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

No matter what the prats like Drivel say, in real world conditions, a

Obvious typo fixed ;-)

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In article ,
   Ed Sirett wrote:

You missed the smiley, Ed. ;-)

His first post complained about the time to fill a bath - so it's
reasonable to assume this was his first experience of a combi.

No matter what the prats like Drivel say, in real world conditions, a
combi just won't fill a bath as fast as a decent storage system.

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    Dave Plowman        d @davenoise.co.uk           London SW
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You'll be telling us next; that you remember when only sailors had tattoos
and only girls wore earrings!

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Brian

Is this the flow at the bath hot tap? In which case you have a fault. The
boiler in question can supply many times that figure. I don't know which
model you have (it should be something like HE30, or HE35 Plus), but they
should all be capable of around 10 litres per minute or more at around 40C
(45C in summer).

Christian.

In article ,
   Doctor Evil wrote:

It's a combi. ;-)

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message

Well spotted 10/10. Yes it is a combi. Duh.

You obviously lack familiarity - they are not _that_ bad.

The OP may have meant 2 gals/ minute = 9 litre/min  which
given he says it's hot is fine.

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Are you sure its is 2 litres./min?  That is a dribble.