Krups Artese 01

On 2004-04-04 fgr @REMOVEcrossroadstechNOSPAM.co­m said:
    Newsgroups: rec.food.drink.coffee
    j @earthlink.net sez:
    >Hi, Braun did, unfortunately discontinue the KF-187,
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    It probably was solidly built and lasted a long time.  That's
    probably why Gillette (who now owns Braun) killed it off.
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I don't think that is the reason for discontinuing of the KF-185, KF-187,
and KF-190.  Gillette was the owner of record of Braun well back into the
mid 1980's at least, maybe even into the 1970's or earlier, considerably
predating the introduction of any of the "FlavorSelect" models.  The KF-180,
which came out a couple of years before the KF-185 and KF-187 with their few
extra features is still in the line of Braun coffeemakers marketed in the
US, and was their top model shown as of about two weeks ago.  Like more and
more consumer appliances, coffeemakers are considered to be useful
appliances that will most likely be bought and discarded based on small
changes in shape, control placement and design, and even color, most of
which except for the shape and control design factors, will have little or
no effect on how well the appliance makes coffee or on how pleasant and easy
it will be to live with the machine and use it day in and day out.

    What's the basic diff between the FlavorSelect and the AromaDeluxe
    models?
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The Aroma Deluxe models are the more modern-styled models sporting a "Euro"
look, where as the FlavorSelect model, now represented only by the KF-180 in
the current line, is the older Braun design with the squared-off corners,
wider columnar design, and with the taller, more tapered carafe and filter
basket.  According to the temperature charts on their website, the KF-180
"FlavorSelect" model brews a couple of degrees Celsius hotter, and maybe
takes a minute or two longer to brew a full pot than the Aroma Deluxe
models.  Then again, the FlavorSelect KF-180 is rated as a 12-cup model, and
the Aroma Deluxe models are rated as 10-cup models.

    Ah... The problem is Gillette now owns Braun.  I would not expect
    Gillette to uphold the same level of consistency as Braun did.
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I think I already covered that base.  If Gillette were interested in cutting
quality control to save money, they've had well over 20 years in which to do
it, and so far, that has not happened.

In the US, we know Braun first and foremost for electric shavers and
coffeemakers, and to a lesser extent, electric toothbrushes and other
smallish countertop kitchen appliances.  In their Germanic homeland, Braun's
name also appears on expensive larger household appliances, like vacuum
cleaners, large kitchen appliances, and even high-end high-quality hi-fi
stereo equipment, among other things.

    The 550 is the manual and the 580 is the timer model.  The 510 is
 

j @earthlink.net sez:

        It probably was solidly built and lasted a long time.  That's
        probably why Gillette (who now owns Braun) killed it off.

        What's the basic diff between the FlavorSelect and the AromaDeluxe
        models?

        Ah... The problem is Gillette now owns Braun.  I would not expect
        Gillette to uphold the same level of consistency as Braun did.

        The 550 is the manual and the 580 is the timer model.  The 510 is
        being discontinued.

        My 580 is a *fast* maker.  I was concerned it was too fast (not enough
        contact with the beans), but it doesn't seem to be a problem.

        Frank G.

Hi, Braun did, unfortunately discontinue the KF-187, and yes, you're right,
it just might be the best drip coffee maker made in the last 20 years for
quite a number of reasons.

The KF-180 is still in production, the only one of the "FlavorSelect" line
still being sold in the US.  The KF-180 easily heats the water well to the
top of the desired temperature range for propper brewing of coffee by the
drip method.  It has the clock and programmable timer and can also be
operated manually, just like the KF-187.  The differences between the KF-180
and the KF-187 are that the KF-180 does not have the "small batch" brewing
setting, and it does not have the socket to accept the carbon granule water
filter.  Also, unless the seller is running a promotional deal, the KF-180
does not come standard with the Braun gold-tone permanent filter as did the
KF-187.  The KF-180 also does not have the adjustable temperature control
for the warmer plate like the KF-187, and it does not shut off the warmer
plate within four hours after brewing as does the KF-187.

The KF-180 uses the same carafe and filter basket and permanent
filter as the other 12-cup FlavorSelect models.

There are several other advantages to the Braun FlavorSelect models in
addition to the important ones of having optimal brewing temperature and
brew timing for the best possible cup of drip-brewed coffee.  The water tank
has a large opening, easy to fill conveniently.

The carafe is the best shaped for easy pouring right to the last drop.

The parts of the Braun coffeemakers are easy to clean and all fit together
nicely and smoothly.

The drip stop mechanism in the Braun's filter basket is design so that it
actually works, and really does stop that drip if you pull out the carafe to
pour off some coffee before brewing stops.

Braun's quality control has been the most tightly consistent model to model
and sample to sample year after year, of any other brand I have seen and
used in the past 30 years.  I think I have owned and/or used more than one
model in that time from more than 20 brand lines of at least a dozen
different manufacturers.

I had some Krups Cafe Aroma models, 450, 452, and 453, through the 1990's,
and each time I replaced one, it did not last as long as the previous one,
and the quality control seemed to slip noticeably, to the point that by
1998, I gave up on the Krups Cafe Aroma and later, Pro Aroma, lines, which
were my favorite Krups models.

Braun also has a new line made in the Czech Republic and designed in the
more rounded style which is thought to be that Euro styling look that is
popular with some models that have pretensions to elite or deluxe status.
They are the models, KF-500 and KF-550.  These are 10-cup claimed-capacity
machines, with the KF-550 having the programmable timer, and the KF-500
being a basic manual on/off switchable model.

On 2004-03-28 snowman4 @comcast.net(Snow) said:
    Newsgroups: rec.food.drink.coffee
    I have a Krups Artese 01 model 920 espresso maker.  I need to
    replace the E.S.E. filter basket that came with it.
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