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LOL Nice copycat dude, put ACCEPT in capitals next time.

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  • Ginko
    Ginko May 22, 2008

    I mean the use of accept my solution is deliberately misleading, apart from this you seem to be giving a good contribute, why don't you leave this techniques to induce the user to vote you to bad experts?
    Be happy with extra $5 earned.
    I will submit general problem on begging for acceptation to fixya.

  • Ginko
    Ginko May 22, 2008

    I also posted general problem in lounge, under Can we stop begging, you are welcome in contributing.

  • Ginko
    Ginko May 22, 2008

    No hard feeling at all. My job is aimed at stimulating experts to chose a line of conduct. I purposely started this challenge with an expert like you, who does a lot of job on non premium, and often is scarcely rewarded on advantage of very aggressive only money driven experts.
    If I start this with some very aggressive moneymaker, I wouldn't get much attention.
    I am trying to push experts in choosing a line of conduct, but this is no easy task.
    I very happy I stimulated a constructive thread in lounge.

    In any case using accept in gold is a bit too much, if it was done by coolguy he would probably have his reward (rightfully) removed.

  • Ginko
    Ginko May 27, 2008

    Hey druid, now you are asking users not to rate your solution.
    I think this is bad too.
    I think best thing to do is not trying to influence users in any way, just let them take their own decision as a feedback depending only on what Fixya show them, and what experts suggest to fix the problem.

  • Ginko
    Ginko May 27, 2008

    I know, this has been done to balance the random factory that give advantage to first poster.
    Rating has always an hight random factor, only way to change this would be introducing a jury assigning solutions, but this will require too much effort from Fixya in terms of human resources (their opinion, not mine), and will generate loads of troubles with unhappy experts (this is true).
    If you think the current rating system is wrong (and it is) you can post on lounge or write to Fixya.
    Generally, any rating system used so far cause problems of this kind. All rating systems are advantaging a bit old experts, who know how things work.
    At this point I think best thing to do is not changing the rating system



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I did not copy anything. It is common sense and the first point of troubleshooting for this kinda issues. Just happened that my post came in just after yours, as i did a bit more typing maybe :)

And by the way, I was not begging. It is the way I usually close the post. If you notice, I did not say something like "please choose "accept" to my solution.

I said "IF you are satisfied with my solution or have no further queries, please take a moment to "Accept" this solution." I left the choice to the customer to post further if the issue was not resolved.

But I do agree with your point of view. I have seen a lot of premiums lost myself because of 'begging' tactics. However, I do want to clarify that my closing statement is not a BEG.

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    Swilin Sampson May 22, 2008

    I do understand where you are coming from, ginko. And I do agree you were unjustly rewarded considering the amount of effort you put into that answer. Who knows how customers think? I have lost premiums where I have put in a lot of effort to research and provide a solution, just to see it lost to someone who posted a one liner as well.
    I just hope there are no hard feelings.

  • Swilin Sampson
    Swilin Sampson May 22, 2008

    I understand. Thanks for clarifying that with me. The only reason I put the Accept in bold is to direct the customer to the accept button (or whatever is there in a premium)

    The sentence:
    If you are satisfied with my solution or have no further queries, please take a
    moment to accept this solution
    wouldn't really make much sense in itself, if the 'accept' bit is not stressed. (well, at least according to me, as I haven't been at the customer end of a Premium, and don't know what options they have..). Stressing the 'accept' just made a bit more sense to me. I apologize if it came out the wrong way.

    Maybe I should change the statement to something like 'If you are satisfied with my solution or have no further queries, please take a
    moment to click the "accept'" button.'
    Then I wouldn't have needed to stress the 'accept' bit...:)

    As for coolguy (or coolguys according to some people here), I
    agree. He's got enough critics here already, LOL ;) He used to do that
    earlier (and it was obviously blatant begging), but he (they?) seems to have stopped now...

    I have noticed that most of the experts employing begging tactics and placeholding are from India. Probably the rate of currency exchange makes even $5 worth stooping to that level..

  • Swilin Sampson
    Swilin Sampson May 27, 2008

    The problem is, when we post a response, they are automatically provided with two choice: Accept or ask another expert. If they choose ask another user, everyone who posted before that all get Thanks for trying ratings as well. And if the solution did not work, they are more inclined to choose this option.

    Now some users may be more savvy, and choose not to rate at all, but not all.. I've seen many Askers who rate right away, simply because they do not know better. And once rated as Thanks for trying, they do not recieve an email from Fixya even if another solution is posted by the Expert...

  • Swilin Sampson
    Swilin Sampson May 27, 2008

    Yeah, what I meant to say, was that dont rate right away , as more troubleshooting may be neseccary. I did not want to go into the details as I explained above. I was not commenting on the way the rating system works. (basically what I wanted to imply,was that if he needed more help, he should not rate right away.That was my intention)..

    Anyways, this is the first time I posted anything like that in a Premium. if you hink that should not be done, no problems,..I will stop it.. Just trying to educate the user and avoid frustration on behalf of the experts..



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