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Brewing stops mid cycle

Hot water light goes off mid cycle and brewing stops.
Problem started half year ago. Boiler started leaking one month ago.
Replaced boiler but brewing still stops mid cycle, so scaling is not the problem.
Also replaced spring and glass ball in brewing unit.
Tried bigger coffee dose for more resistance and lower flow. No help either.
Can't imagine the thermostat in both the old and new boiler are defective.
Any suggestions please????
Chris

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Sounds like dosage is too high and grind is too fine.

Rule of thumb with any saeco unit.

Do not grind any finer then 2 or your looking for trouble.

Open grinder, clean it out with a vac. Slapped it back on.

The reason it stops is grind is too fine, and the machine doesn't have enough pressure to pass threw the grinds, creates back pressure in the machine and the unit failsafes after a certain amount of time with and pressure.

Back pressure is what blew your boiler.

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Ventilate error -


The following procedure works when you get the ventilate error:



The Ventilate sign can be due to one or more of the following reasons:
Cause 1- Water leaking from the inlet valve below the water tank. The hose from the inlet valve to the pump can be air locked. When using the hand pump, do not thrust its nozzle too deep
Cause 2- Blockage in the passage of water due to clogged passage anywhere between the pump and espresso delivery nozzle.
Cause 3- Pump is not working. Open steam/water outlet knob and hear the pump work. If you do not hear any noise from the pump, this may be the main cause.
Cause 4- Flow meter is faulty. This part is like the water meter for homes. It measures the flow of water and signals the electronic board. The malfunctioning flow meter will not send signals even when water is flowing through it.
Cause 5- Hose is disconnected and water is not flowing in the system.
Cause 6- O-rings at hose connection is leaking, reducing the water flow to be sensed by flow meter.
Cause 7- Boiler gasket is leaking. Reduces flow of water through the system.
Cause 9- Brew unit is blocked, blocking flow of water through the flow meter. This also causes pump to slow down and ultimately stop with muffled sound within 15 seconds.
Cause 10- Brew unit not connecting brew valve, preventing flow of water. Same sign under cause 9.
Cause 11- Steam is leaking. Registers reduced flow of water at the flow meter.
Cause 12- Solenoid valve is blocked or solenoid coil is bad. Same observation as cause 9.
Cause 13- Electronic Control board is bad. Though rare it can happen due to condensed water from leaking steam. When steam is leaking or boiler is leaking, machine should not be used any more to prevent steam shorting the Electronic board.
Some of the above causes can be checked and corrected before seeking technical help. Do not assume anything without physically checking each of the following:
1- Make sure the water tank is full. If the water tank has water level float, make sure the float is in its housing and it floats as water is filled in the tank. If the level float does not rise with the level of water, then replace the float.
2- Water is not leaking from below the tank. The inlet valve is good. If leakage is present, replace the gasket in the water inlet valve.
3- Prime the machine by opening the hot water knob for 20 seconds or pressing the hot water button. Hot water flow shows the boiler is not blocked with minerals and pump is good. The solenoid valve is good.
4- Water & steam flowing normal, check the brew group for blockage. Determine when was the last time brew group was cleaned. Clean the brew group as explained elsewhere on these pages. If the machine has pre-ground function, try making a fake espresso (without coffee). Make regular espresso in other models to make sure that water goes through brew group and espresso is dispensed.
4- If hot water does not flow because the pump is not activated, then pump is bad. Replace pump.
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7- Hear the pump work when priming the machine. Louder noise from the pump can be due to
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** the hydraulic system is blocked at one or more locations due to mineral sediment. Find the location and cause of the block and correct it.
** Clean the brew unit (see cleaning instructions) and make sure that
a- the ground coffee used is not powdery fine.
b- The dose of coffee grounds is not in excess specification
c- check if there is blockage. Find the cause and remove it.
8- If steam and hot water flow is normal, but the ventilate sign persists, then the flow meter or the electronic control board is bad. Replace flow meter or the control board, as necessary.

Try also the following:

  • Press hot water button once. Message on the screen will not change, this is normal.
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  • As soon as the screen displays "hot water," turn the steam valve off .
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