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Water tamp I get a beautiful espresso shot with terrific crema and all, byt the water (coffee at this point) is not very hot. Is that normal?

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Hi,
General descaling will work for a while, but after some time, you'll get the temperature problem worse and worse.

I had a problem with my Pavoni 16 lever not being hot enough, and so not having enough steam pressure. The solution was to clear the lime deposits from the thermostat. When I did that, the temperature and pressure shot back up.

The thermostat is in the base of the machine, and it's at the end of a blind tube coming from the base of the boiler. So even if you regularly boil up the machine with vinegar, the end of that blind tube doesn't really get cleaned, and it fills up with lime. When that happens, the thermostat isn't able to properly sense the temperature of water in the boiler.

You can fix this without opening the boiler. Remove the base of the machine, and separate the thermostat from the pipe that connects it to the boiler by undoing the plumbing connection. Disconnect the electrics from the thermostat and fill its sensor end with hot vinegar, then flush and refill a couple of times to get it really clean. Poke a long flexible object, like a pipe cleaner or cable tie, up the short bent pipe that connects the thermostat to the boiler, while dribbling some hot vinegar down the pipe. Reconnect the thermostat to the pipe and do 3 boil flushes of the machine with clean water.

You can see the tube in photo #36 of my Pavoni rebuild at http://cid-e0a4d8901828b395.space...A4D8901828B395!166

Hopefully this will get your machine back to making great coffee!

Fergus.

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Hi,

Try to descale the machine, if there are calcium around the boiler then it will not warm up.

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