Question about Gateway MS-6389 Ver.1 S462 Motherboard (4000758)

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Starts without ram but not with ram

Ok i got a question for you experts i have a ms-6389 gateway (keystone) 1.4ghz motherboard i have a athlon xp 1600 1.4ghz processor along with 2x512mb sdram 168 pin memory modules. and a 250w psu.i have cleared the bios with the jumper and have set the jumper to 133mhz for the fsb to accept the pc133 mhz 512mb memory because there is also an option to switch to 100mhz.these are low density by the way and been tested to be working on other computers.the problem i have is the motherboard will start fine without the ram but once the ram is installed it will not start.i hear no beeps when it starts without the ram installed.but once the ram is installed it just does'nt power up.here are the boards specs http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/MSI/2514316/251431601.shtml well i got to admit im stumped at this one.and mabey you have a solution or awnswer.

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  • harveybenjam Apr 28, 2008

    ok heres the specs for the processor and it says its a 133mhz processorhttp://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K7/AMD-Ath... thats why i set it there,so i will be waiting for your response before i do anything.

  • harveybenjam Apr 28, 2008

    oh and thank you for responding

  • harveybenjam Apr 28, 2008

    ok ill chek and no this cpu hasnt been on the board i bought it from ebay and they had just bought it but never used they said but

  • harveybenjam Apr 28, 2008

    ok i cheked the board and all the caps look ok except for the little black one by the dimm slots beteween the fan pins and the northbridge chip and the slots right beside the green one it has some bulging at the bottom but not much is there a way to replace or repair it? ok i took it out and cheked it on the bottom and its that ont it looks like the cap blew its the closest to the center of the dimm slot its pretty small do you know what caused it?

  • harveybenjam Apr 28, 2008

    i see i have a friend who has done this before and he concurs with you i looked at the bottom and it is a 6.3v 1000uf cap and so i asked him to fix it but r u saying that thell all start dying?

  • harveybenjam Apr 28, 2008

    i see well i wish i new that before hmmm well i just finished buying all the memory and processor and case for it thank you for your valued advice you know your stuff!

  • harveybenjam Apr 28, 2008

    well its the on by the memory slots so ill need to replace those all right?

  • harveybenjam Apr 28, 2008

    haha well ok thank you you been aloyt of help with this problem and if anyone else has problems thell know who to ask bout these boards.take care....by the way even me friend fixed alot and he said its hit and miss well i guess i got no choice but to try lol im also buying a k7 motherboard a little newer so i hope ill get sone use out of them before they die next time ill build a intel core two duo.thank you and have yourself a good day

  • harveybenjam Apr 28, 2008

    ya ok there are three that are around the memory slots two on one side one on the other and two between the agp and the dimmm slots

  • harveybenjam Apr 28, 2008

    http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?View... ok i just won this board do u think its on its last legs ?lol i need your expert opinion

  • harveybenjam Apr 28, 2008

    omg i thought i knew my stuff but i diddnt know this much you have expanded my knowlage in this feild.so i guess i should start getting some caps and start practicing ive got alot of older motherboards to try to fix itll be fun

  • harveybenjam Apr 28, 2008

    lol thanks your pretty handy with this stuff lol i wish i could show you off lol well i guess i got to go and start soldering at his place im going to buy a iror and see for my self.thank you ok bye

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The FSB jumper is not for the memory. It's for the CPU.

Set that back to 100mhz and try it again.

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  • Peter Thompson
    Peter Thompson Apr 28, 2008

    Has this CPU been used in this board before?

    The CPU support page you posted, is that using the number from your own cpu? There are 100 and 133mhz variants in the same speed range.



    Also, since this is an MSI board (Micro Star International), check the area near the CPU for any sign of buldging caps. Also look near the memory slots at the caps used there.



    If you are getting no power at all when the memory is in place, chances are the board is dead, or at the very least a voltage regulator for the memory is.



    Post back after you check the above though =)


  • Peter Thompson
    Peter Thompson Apr 28, 2008

    Time for some sleep here..currently almost 1am in Australia =)



    If you have buldging caps, then they willl have to be replaced. If you have no power getting to the board only when the memory is in place, then it's time for another board.

    Even with the wrong speed memory, you should still have fans powering up etc.

    The only time you will get warning beeps is when something IS inserted, but not correctly. So no memory will not give an error beep, but incorrectly seated memory will.

  • Peter Thompson
    Peter Thompson Apr 28, 2008

    Caps are just another electrical component. They will all die eventually. Even a very small buldge is enough to stop them working correctly.

    If you know how to repair them, then do it yourself. If you don't know, then a new/good used board is a cheaper option then having someone else do the repairs.

    Replacing caps is not as easy and straight forward on a motherboard as it is in many other electrical items. The PCB is normally a minimum of 6 layers. One broken trace etc in any of those layers and it's game over, especially in the layers you cannot see.

    You will need good soldering skills to even attempt it. A temperature controlled soldering iron and good solder are also keys to getting it done right.

  • Peter Thompson
    Peter Thompson Apr 28, 2008

    I should add that good socket A boards are almost impossible to find. Most on the market (even if they are still running now) are on their last legs due to the capacitors and general age of the boards.

  • Peter Thompson
    Peter Thompson Apr 28, 2008

    If he is going to replace that one. Then also replace the others in the same area. They have all come under the same strain over the same amount of time.



    The 3 key areas are:

    Near the CPU

    Near the memory

    Near the AGP port.



    As you can see, these are the 3 heavy work areas for a motherboard.

    If ALL the caps in one area look ok, then leave them for now. But chances are they will need to be replaced in the next 6-12 months after it's back in use.

  • Peter Thompson
    Peter Thompson Apr 28, 2008

    LOL, practice...plenty of practice =)

  • Peter Thompson
    Peter Thompson Apr 28, 2008

    Yes, There will normally be 1 or sometimes 2 for each memory bank depending on the revision status of the board.

    Check both ends of the memory slots and both sides. They should all be the same rating as the one that has failed though.

  • Peter Thompson
    Peter Thompson Apr 28, 2008

    Oh, you will probably not find the original 6.3volt version of the cap either.

    Use a higher voltage cap with the same uF rating.

    So a 1000uF 10V is fine =)

  • Peter Thompson
    Peter Thompson Apr 28, 2008

    No problem, and best of luck to your friend with the work ahead..and to you to get it living again. =)

  • Peter Thompson
    Peter Thompson Apr 28, 2008

    Alot of people throw away perfectly good boards because of this issue.. & since you have someone who can repair them, keep your eyes out for them.



    Just replace any that look even the slightest bit dodgy. They are only a few cents each, but one missed and you may as well not have done it at all.

  • Peter Thompson
    Peter Thompson Apr 28, 2008

    Well they have a DOA guarantee so that's a good sign.

    The photo is off the net though, not the actual board.



    Just check it over very carefuly when you get it for any signs that you have now become an instant expert in =)



    You may have a bad board now, but you have learnt something new..so it's not a total loss either way =)

  • Peter Thompson
    Peter Thompson Apr 28, 2008

    Hehe, now your talking =)

    Even spending 50-60$ on a half decent temp controlled soldering station can make it's money back in one repair.

  • Peter Thompson
    Peter Thompson Apr 28, 2008

    Good luck..post back your results =)



    Now it really is time for sleep.

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