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I have an ungrounded outlet. There is no easy way to ground it conventionally. Close by is a grounded outlet on another circuit. Can I jump a ground wire from the grounded outlet to the ungrounded outlet? Is that approach within code?

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First are you sure the other outlet is actually grounded?
Article 250.130 (C) Non grounding Receptacle Replacement or Branch Circuit extensions.
The equipment grounding conductor of a grounding-type receptacle or a branch-circuit extension shall be permitted to be connect to any of the following.
(1) Any accessible point on the grounding electrode system as described in 250.50
(2) Any accessible pint on the grounding electrode conductor
(3) The equipment grounding terminal bar within the enclosure where the branch circuit for that receptacle or branch circuit originates.
(4) For grounded systems, the grounded service conductor within the service equipment enclosure.
(5) For ungrounded systems, the grounding terminal bar within the service equipment enclosure.
Or you can see 406.3(D) replacing with a ground fault receptacle

Posted on Aug 11, 2010

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  • tdrohr1 Aug 11, 2010

    I am sure the "grounded outlet" is in fact grounded. I tested it.
    I appreciate the code references but don't really understand what they say.
    Can I do what I originally proposed?

    Tom Rohr

  • Tom W Aug 12, 2010

    If you noet item 3, it sould go to the gronding bar where your circuit originates. If your grounding conductor on the grounded receptacle that you propose goes back to this same point, then it should be ok. If in fact your grounded receptacle is grounded to some other point (like a water line) then no, you should run a grounding conductor back to the source and connect to the equipemnt grounding terminal. The other safety option would be to install a GFCI receptacle and label it as ungrounded. This is also permissable. Oh and wasnt' that effort worth more than one thumb???

  • tdrohr1 Aug 13, 2010

    Thank you.
    You response will solve my problem. Yes. You are right. The first answer should be more than one thumb.
    With this second response, let's make it a full four thumbs.

    Tom Rohr

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It is rather unusual to have voltage riding on the casing of a device, but it is not unheard of. Some manufacturers use the case of a device as its return, or ground. My opinion is that if there was a serious issue, such a a short causing the voltage, once you connected the unit to a grounded outlet, you would have most likely tripped the circuit breaker. Unless you know of damaged wiring, or possible get a smell of burnt plastic, I would not be concerned as since you are now connected to a grounded outlet, if any real electrical problem occurs, the breaker should handle the issue.

As far as is there 100 volts flowing to ground, yes there is. But remember this, voltage is not what costs money, current is. The voltage you felt when the unit was ungrounded was probably of a very low current or you could have been seriously injured. Almost all devices today have circuits in them that are energized at all times, such as timers, control board, and such. Thus, I would not expect your power bill to skyrocket as a result of this.

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Check the plug that goes into the outlet. On modern plugs, one prong is taller than the other. The taller is the "ground" leg - the other is the "hot" leg. I bet that you just need to flip the plug over so that the other prong is in the "ground". If this works - mark the "ground" leg (or replace the plug with a newer one that has a taller "ground" leg).

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I have a problem with my whirlpool microwave oven, all of a sudden it shut off the kitchen electricity and tripped the circuit breaker of the kitchen, I unplug the oven and reset the circuit breaker, but...


Hi heshamyg, I want to help you with your problem, but I need more information from you.
Since I could not find the electrical specs for your particular model in the user's guide, please locate the information tag (plate or decal) and tell me what the wattage and amperage ratings are.
Page 5 of your user's manual recommends that your microwave should be used on a 15 or 20 amp circuit And that a "separate circuit servicing only this appliance be provided."
I don't know if this appliance is a new install to your kitchen appliance array, or if this unit has been around and in use for awhile without any problems.
Either way, the electrical circuit is being overloaded; short circuited; or because of a ground fault.

An overloaded circuit is one primary reason for a breaker to trip. It occurs when a circuit has more connected electrical load than it is supposed to have. When more current runs through the circuit than the circuit was intended to take, the circuit breaker is designed to "break the circuit." It does so to prevent overheating of the wire in the circuit, which can cause a fire.

  • The most probable reason the breaker tripped is that you simply have too much plugged into one outlet or multiple outlets connected to one circuit.
  • Move lamps, heaters, irons, hair dryers and other heavy power consuming devices to a different circuit not being heavily used; or
  • Turn off some of the devices on the circuit to reduce the load.
  • Loose connections are another possible but less common cause. With power off, check outlets for a loose wire and the electrical service panel hot wire connected to the circuit breaker to see if it has become loose. Re-tighten the connections if necessary.
  • If these suggestions do not solve the problem you may have a more serious problem such as a Short Circuit or Ground Fault
The Short Circuit is a more serious reason for a breaker to trip. A short is caused when the hot wire (black) touches another hot wire or touches a neutral wire (white). It can also be caused if there is a break in a wire in the circuit. Shorts are a bit more difficult to diagnose because they can be caused by the wiring in your home or in something you have plugged into an outlet.

  • Confirm that the power is off at the outlet into which your device is plugged.
  • Inspect your power cords for damage or a melted appearance.
  • Check your outlets and plugs for the smell of burning- or look to see if there is any visible brown or black discoloration.
  • Check the insulation on the wires to make sure that they are not cracked; and that bare (uninsulated) black and white wires aren't touching together.
  • If you do not find the problem, repeat the process for all the outlets in the circuit.
  • Check for a Ground Fault condition.
A Ground Fault Condition is defined as: An unintentional, electrically conducting connection between an ungrounded conductor of an electrical circuit and the normally non-current-carrying conductors, metallic enclosures, metallic raceways, metallic equipment or earth.
In simpler terms, a ground fault condition exists when the hot wire (black) touches the ground wire (bare copper) or the side of a metal outlet box (because the metal box is connected to the ground wire). The ground fault is a type of short circuit.

The fix is the same as a short circuit except check that the hot wire (black ) is not touching the side of the metal outlet box or the ground wire.

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For multiple outlets, the usual practice is to install the GFCI outlet at the first outlet in the circuit, then regular 3 prong outlets can be used to replace 2 prong outlets in all the downstream outlet locations as long as the "no equipment ground" stickers that come with the GFCI outlet are used and they are now GFCI protected outlets, per NEC.

Finding the first outlet in the circuit is not always easy. First, determine which outlets are on the circuit, then starting with the outlet closest to the electric panel, disconnect the wires and see if all the other outlets went out. It's kind of trial and error.

Once you have found that first outlet in the circuit, connect the hot wires coming from the electric panel to the LINE terminals of the GFCI and the wires going to the downstream oulets to the LOAD terminals of the GFCI. Full instructions come with the GFCI outlet.
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