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I have a Monte Carlo Ceiling Fan, Model # 5cmr56OC. It was moved from another house and I am having problems wiring it. There is power to the unit from the wall switch. Inside the fan/light area there are multiple black and white wires as well as a purple and red wire that has been used. I have looked for wiring diagrams and also called Monte Carlo technical for assistance but to no avail..Do I need two wall switches to make this work. How do I wire this thing???

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Your wall switch can be used and will be handy when entering the room if the light is on. Remember, all the colored wires are hot. One of them is the light, If you can locate the wires to the lights, separate them, twist all the fan wires together that are colored, anything but green and white. Shut the power off, shut the switch off, hang the fan, hook up the white to the white, if you have more than 2, put them all together. Put on a wire nut, No tape. Then twist all the colored wires together at the fan, hook them up to the black wire in the box, Wire nut, no tape. Green wire? Hook it up, it doesn't need a nut. Now get the fan secured but before you cover it up, if it will spin without hitting anything, hit the juice. See what happens. Usually the light wire is blue. If it has pull chain switches, bring both colored wires from the switch to the black wire, the other end of it should be attached to either the lights or the fan, but you may not be able to see it. If you run into trouble, get back to me and let me know exactly what is in the box, what is in the fan, and what goes to the lights if you can see it. It should work, let me know. Hope this helps.

Posted on Jul 30, 2010

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  • domwestlake Jul 30, 2010

    Thanks for your imput. Unfortunately, I may not have made myself clear in my discription for the ceiling fan. So, I will try again. The wall switch has a black, white, red, and ground wire running to the ceiling box. The fan itself has a ground, black and white wire running up the shaft to the ceiling power supply. As I work down the fan/light unit, there are several more wires meeting together. I have located the main black and white wires that supply the power to the rest of the wires. To one side(grouped together), there is a black wire and a black wire with a white stripe running down the side of it. There is a curcuit board with a black and white wire running into it on one side and two white wires running out of if on the other side. There is a group of four wires, (18 gauge?), two have been used, two have not. one is red(used), purple(used), brown and yellow(unused) running into the fan/light housing. There are no pull chains on the fan.



    I wired all of the blacks together along with the whites together as well as several other combinations, but could not get any results. Thanks...

  • domwestlake Jul 30, 2010

    Thanks for your imput. Unfortunately, I may not have made myself clear in my discription for the ceiling fan. So, I will try again. The wall switch has a black, white, red, and ground wire running to the ceiling box. The fan itself has a ground, black and white wire running up the shaft to the ceiling power supply. As I work down the fan/light unit, there are several more wires meeting together. I have located the main black and white wires that supply the power to the rest of the wires. To one side(grouped together), there is a black wire and a black wire with a white stripe running down the side of it. There is a curcuit board with a black and white wire running into it on one side and two white wires running out of if on the other side. There is a group of four wires, (18 gauge?), two have been used, two have not. one is red(used), purple(used), brown and yellow(unused) running into the fan/light housing. There are no pull chains on the fan.

    I wired all of the blacks together along with the whites together as well as several other combinations, but could not get any results. Thanks...

  • Ned  White
    Ned White Jul 30, 2010

    That makes a little more sense, the switch on the wall sounds like a 3 way, It has to have another switch on the other side of the room to be one, What used to be there before you decided to put the fan there? If anything, the switch was a 3 way switch or a 2 gang switch in a single box, which would be perfect for the fan / light combo with no pull chains. Do you have juice at the box? Do you have a switch there? How about at the box on the ceiling? What wires are in there? the wires in the fan sound OK, they should not have to be touched, just connected white to white, black to black, and if there is a 3rd wire, then that would be the light. I'll wait for a reply this time.

  • domwestlake Jul 30, 2010

    There was a light/fan in the room before I switched it out. The old fan stopped working. There is only one switch in the room. The red wire is not in use. There is a ceiling box as well. The old fan had pull chains for the light and fan. I was told that the room this "new" fan came from had two switches going to the fan. One for the light and one for the fan. This doesn't make sense to me since there is only a blcak and white wire in the fan assembly. Usually there is a blue wire as well in the fan assembly. I have some wiring background, just rewired my backhouse but am still confused.



    thanks

  • Ned  White
    Ned White Jul 30, 2010

    The red wire go up or down? I mean to the ceiling box or from the panel? You may be able to use it, The blue wire as you know, is missing, but it is there some where, you have to find what turns on the light, pull it through the down rod and get it switched. They also have remote switches that might be better yet, you won't have to pull another wire through from the switch. Whatever you do, don't use the white wire for the second hot lead and use the ground for neutral, one day you will be working on something and get the ladder zapped out from under you. You know that. I have seen that. Now getting back to the box, is there juice? Yes, black wire only, juice up top, yes, no red wire up top, No.? How about the used wires in the fan, can you jump them with a cord and see if they work the lights? Or just use a tester. A nine volt battery will check it for continuity real quick. Your foto does not blow up so I really can't see much there.

  • domwestlake Jul 30, 2010

    The red wire runs from the switch to the ceiling box but is not hot. I have a single pole switch in the wall as well. I reviewed the manual online again and it shows a remote transmitter that is put in the wall as a wall switch and a receiver that goes in the housing. The only thing that remotely looks like a receiver has a black and white wire on one side and two white wires on the other. Also, the manual shows a bloack, white, and ground wire being attached at the ceiling to the wires coming from the wall switch. Is the remote receiver missing? Sorry about the picture, I had to reduce it inorder to send it.

  • Ned  White
    Ned White Jul 30, 2010

    OK, were getting closer, the red wire could be used, the newer remotes are little black boxes, they have the wires coming out of them, sounds like the one you have may be a few years old, but it might still work. The remote should be a handheld. But, you can get that red wire hot with a leg from the black to the switches, if you can't get anything else to work. You would have to run the red wire to the light, the black wire to the fan, white to white, and at the switch on the wall, hot/black to a 2 wire pig tail, one to each side of a 2 pole switch that fits a single box, and then the red on one and the black on the other side. Then back to the fan, if the two wires that were used for the light are down below, run a 3rd wire down there and see if it will work, I would test all this before hitting it with the juice, but it should work. Now that you are totally confused, let's see what happens, Where is the website you are looking at?

  • domwestlake Jul 30, 2010

    Here is the website: homeappliance.manualsonline.com

    Monte Carlo Ceiling fan model # 5CMR56



  • Ned  White
    Ned White Jul 30, 2010

    Without the remote, you have to decide which way to go. The remotes can be bought separately, you don't need that one, any remote should do. The manual switch will do. I will leave it up to you. Let me know if you need help. I have done a couple hundred fans in my life. If not just relist the question, no problem.

  • domwestlake Jul 30, 2010

    Thanks for your help. I will try both options...one of them will hopefully work.

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