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Plugging a turntable into a harmankardon 147 receiver: where and how to get volume. The sound volume is too low.

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The 147 receiver doesnt have an input for a turntable. THe output from a turntable is VERY low and is heavily equalized because of the actual record format ( the bass is cut way down and the highs are boosted.....when run through an actual phono input, it "un does" the equalization by boosting the bass and cutting the treble......this is called the RIAA compensation curve ).

You need wither a receiver with an actual phono input, or a good quality Phono Pre Amp....

Good luck... Rob

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Do you get any sound, even very faint, if volume is turned up all the way?

If so, you probably have the turntable connected to the wrong type of input or you have the wrong type of turntable for the type of input you have on the receiver.

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