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Need to get Agitator off!

I have a kenmore 80 series mode # 110.20802.990. I am trying to replace te drive block assembly and cannot figure out how to get the agitator off. Ive remove the fabric softner cap... but there is still no immediate opening for access. only seam is halfway down the middle. What am i doing wrong.

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  • detroit_riot Jul 18, 2010

    by the way its says dual action...double roll over on top of it.

  • detroit_riot Jul 18, 2010

    That was it! Thanks... Tried getting spanner nut off without buying $30.00 wrench. Gonna try the pipe wrench instead seems really tight..will keep note on block of wood!

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First, see the Sears parts diagrams for your washer:

http://www.searspartsdirect.com/partsdirect/getModel!retrieve.pd?modelNumber=110.20802990&pathTaken=partSearch

Look at the section on the agitator, basket and tub for a good description of how everything connects.

Also see the following, it has a good section on removing the agitator:

http://www.american-appliance.com/catalog/newsdesk_info.php?newsPath=16&newsdesk_id=137

Most likely, you didn't pop off the agitator cap. Under it is a 1/2" plastic bolt. Once the bolt is removed, you should be able to pull the agitators off and see the drive block.

NOTE:

You don't have to buy a special spanner wrench to remove the spanner nut. I've used a short 10" pipe wrench hooked over one of the tabs on the spanner nut, tap the handle with a hammer and it should loosen.

Also, don't directly hit the drive block with a hammer. Use a short piece of wood under the drive block and tap up on the wood.


Also see the following Whirlpool / Kenmore Service Manual for top load, direct drive washers.

https://secured.whirlpool.com/Service/SrvTechAdm.nsf/2cd44500d572193285256a45004fd9d6/f7e2147fa98b28cf85257122007475cb/$FILE/L-55.pdf


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