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It wont stay running, for more than 3 secondspress the start button and the fan starts to run then shut's down put in a new power suply same thing I'm plexed, it's like it's tripping a circuit breaker on the motherboard or something no memory beeps or nothing

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    joecoolvette Jul 18, 2010

    Computer dirty inside? Processor fan spinning, or if it uses a computer case fan to push air through a tuned port, is it running? Spin all the time? Heatsink on Processor clean? Checked the thermal paste, in-between the top of the Processor case, and the Heatsink, to see if the paste has dried up? Did you follow Anti-Static Precautions when you replaced the Power Supply? Did you make sure the 4-pin ATX +12 Volt power cable is plugged into the motherboard? It's power for that Intel processor. [http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnect... ] Are you Sure the ram memory modules are plugged in tightly? Never hurts to remove them, and reinstall for assurance. You may wish to clean the gold plated contact pins, on the bottom of the ram memory modules with a pencil eraser, before reinstalling them.

  • Paul Buck Jul 22, 2010

    Fan starts to spin then shuts off instantly, that goes for all fans they dont even get up to full speed need to disconect power completely to even get them to move for a second or twothen nothing till i pull the plug. Heat sink is clean one of foot pegs was broken that secure it to the motherboard cleaned thermal paste off intel chip and heat sink with isopropic alcohol 90 % looks like there was an eyelash stuck to heatsink side apeared to be dry will try arctic silver tomorow 4 pin removed inspected & reinserted re installed memory cant find an eraser but they look fine, no anti static precautions taken double checked all power suply connections, pulled the powersuply of my regular computer that is working (right now) same thing.

  • Paul Buck Jul 22, 2010

    Replaced thermal compound same problem percists.

  • Paul Buck Jul 23, 2010

    No I bought this computer, new I probably broke the post, Used arctic silver 5 thermal compound, I do have a E7400 2.8 Gig dual core processor in my other computer it's a lga 775 socket.

  • Paul Buck Jul 23, 2010

    It's in a lenovo model # 53593AU, no aparent damage to pin's on the processor, roomate is a bit of a know it all suggested I replace the battey on the motherboard?

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Do I assume someone gave you this computer, and you're trying to repair it? Haven't repaired any Medion desktop computers as of yet. Therefore specifications have been gleaned from the 'net.

The specs I have, state it uses a Pentium 4 that fits in an LGA 775 processor socket.

1) Eyelashes are approximately .003 thick in diameter.
( 3 thousandths)
2) Dried thermal paste
3) Not following Anti-Static Precautions.

The three things listed above = recipe for disaster.

Anti-Static Precautions:
Your body carries Static electricity.
Static WILL fry out (Short Circuit) the delicate hardware components inside a computer.
You may not even see it, nor feel it.

Relieve your body of static BEFORE, reaching inside the Unplugged from power computer, plus before taking any hardware components out of their protective anti-static bags/boxes.

Computer unplugged from power, working on a table, TOUCH the metal frame of the open computer case, to relieve your body of Static.

Should you get up, and walk away in the middle of working on your computer, upon your return be SURE to Touch the metal frame again.

Better method is to buy, and wear an ESD wrist strap, and connect the alligator clip to the metal frame of the open computer case. (Unplugged from power)

[ESD = Electro Static Discharge. Here is one example of an ESD wrist strap,

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103245 ]

Processor's are the most susceptible hardware component to Static shock.

Even though the Pentium 4 processor that fits in an LGA 775 processor socket, doesn't have exposed pins, the Processor can still receive static shock.

An LGA775 processor socket has the pins. The processor's that fit this processor socket, has the socket holes,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_775

Have you pulled the processor, to see if there was any pin damage to the processor socket? There are 775 pins.

Could be someone before you, tried to remove the Heatsink from the Processor, and thermal glue was used instead of thermal paste.

If the Heatsink was stuck, and this person didn't know the correct procedures for removing a stuck (Glued) Heatsink, they may have yanked the Processor and Heatsink right out of the processor socket.
Could have yanked some of the pins right out of the processor socket.

Procedure generally used for thermal glue, is to gently heat the area with a hair dryer. The hair dryer is moved back, and forth, and not allowed to stay in one continuous spot. Then test, by gently trying to twist the Heatsink side to side. Still doesn't budge, gently heat some more)

Eyelash in-between the top of the Processor's case, and the bottom of the Heatsink, makes me think someone has removed the Heatsink before, and it wasn't from the factory. Could happen however, I grant you that.

Broken post on an LGA 775 processor mounting bracket, also means to me someone didn't know what they were doing.
If broken the bracket should have been replaced.

It is highly critical that the bottom of the Heatsink be perfectly clean, plus the top of the Processor's case, and fresh thermal paste be used. It is also highly critical that the Heatsink be mounted as flat as possible on top of the Processor.

One post broken, will let the springs of the other three posts put pressure, ensuing in the Heatsink being mounted in a c-ocked angle.
(Censored word)

Even though it's an Intel processor (They take heat better than an AMD) it will only overheat so many times then it will burn up.
Don't suppose you have another computer that has a motherboard with an LGA 775 processor socket AND is compatible with that particular Pentium 4 you have?
(Time for a new keyboard. My comma just quit)


Posted on Jul 23, 2010

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    joecoolvette Jul 23, 2010

    To continue;

    Suggest you obtain an LGA 775 mounting bracket to replace the broken one.
    Here is an example

    http://www.crazypc.com/products/93075.ht...

    Some questions I have;

    1) The Power Supply you have from the working computer. Has all the correct power cables right?
    Has the 4-pin ATX +12 Volt power cable? (This power cable is power for the Processor;

    http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnect...

    Has the correct ATX main power cable? If it's a 24-pin ATX main power cable; it has to be a 24-pin version; and not a 20-pin version.

    20-pin ATX main power cable;

    http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnect...

    24-pin ATX main power cable;

    http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnect...

    [ Don't know if you are aware. Artic Silver has real Silver in it.
    Silver is an excellent conductor. Both of heat transference and also of electrical transference.

    Put too much Artic Silver on the top of the Processor's case; and when the Processor reaches operating temperature; the Artic Silver can ooze off.

    Ooze off into the waiting pins down in the processor socket; and over to exposed solder joints on the motherboard.
    This can = a Short Circuit.
    POOF!

    Correct method of applying thermal paste;

    http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/2... ]

    2) Is there a graphics card being used?
    If so does it require a separate power cable?

    Reason I ask is that the Power Supply you are substituting may not have enough power for both the Processor; Motherboard; Ram Memory and that graphics card.

    If other hardware components drain the power away from the Processor; the Processor won't have enough power to turn on.

    Also the gold plated contact pins on the bottom of a ram memory module ('Stick'); may appear to be fine; but in reality may have a thin layer of corrosion.

    [Example of a DDR Sdram ram module. Shown just for clarification of the gold plated contact pins. You can left-click on the photo to enlarge

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Generi...

    The pencil eraser will clean the above stated corrosion off.
    You can use air pressure from a can of compressed air for computers; or air pressure from your mouth will be sufficient to remove the eraser dust.

    I just cleaned the contact pins on the bottom of my DDR Sdram ram modules; yesterday.
    Computer wouldn't start.


  • joecoolvette
    joecoolvette Jul 23, 2010

    Not a bad suggestion. Hat's off to roommate.
    CMOS batteries are supposed to last 5 to 7 years.

    A weak CMOS battery can make you pull your hair out.

    (Don't forget about correcting that LGA 775 processor mounting bracket situation and do Not forget about following Anti-Static Precautions)

    Headed off to work mate catch up with you later.
    (Going to get a new keyboard too Geez!)


  • joecoolvette
    joecoolvette Jul 25, 2010

    I have returned. (With a new keyboard too, lol!)

    Processor's have a built-in Fail Safe feature. If they get too hot they turn off. (Actually BIOS turns a Processor off)
    Keeps them from burning up. (Literally in some cases. As on FIRE)

    With the broken post present, the Heatsink isn't going to sit flat, and true on the top of the Processor.
    This results in a poor transference of heat, from the top of the Processor's case, to the bottom of the Heatsink.

    Could mean the difference in the Processor starting, or not starting.
    Could have caused irreparable damage also, and the Pentium 4 3.2GHz processor could be 'toast'.

    Not to cut hairs here, but the Intel Core2 Duo E7000 series processors do not have pins.
    The LGA 775 processor socket has the pins.

    At any rate, the Lenovo IdeaCentre K230 53993AU motherboard, uses an Intel G33 motherboard chipset.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_int...

    (Scroll down)

    I can find no information on what motherboard chipset, the Medion M3 Composer 5200 uses.

    I have to assume, since the specifications I found, state that it comes with an Intel Pentium 4 at 3.2GigaHertz (3.2GHz), and has a maximum FSB support of 800MHz, the chipset used will not support an Intel dual core processor, and also not one that uses the Wolfdale-3M Core, and 45NanoMeter architecture, (45nm)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Int...

    The Medion M3 Composer 5200 motherboard, probably has an Intel 915G motherboard chipset.

    (Or one of the 915 chipset versions.
    915P, or 915PL, or 915GL, or 915GV.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_int...

    The Northbridge chip (Of the motherboard chipset) will be under a Heatsink, and sitting close to the Processor.

    [To expound:
    Motherboard Chipset

    In the technology used for the Medion computer you have, and the Lenovo, the motherboard chipset is the Northbridge chip, and the Southbridge chip.

    [The new Intel i3, i5, and i7 processors do not use this technology)

    Chip and Chipset are slang terms for I.C.
    Integrated Circuit.

    The Northbridge chip is deemed with the 'North' designation, because in physical terms of where it sits on the motherboard, it is to the North, or top of the motherboard.

    The Northbridge chip handles the faster processes of the computer.
    The Processor, Ram Memory, and high speed graphics.

    High speed graphics being AGP, (Accelerated Graphics Port), and PCI Express.
    A graphics card inserted into a PCI slot is not high speed graphics.
    Nor is Integrated Graphics.

    (Integrated Graphics is also known as OnBoard graphics.
    On the motherBoard.
    The GPU (Graphics Processing Unit), is soldered directly to the motherboard, and not on a replaceable graphics expansion card)

    The Southbridge chip handles the slower processes of a computer.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mother...

    (CPU = Central Processing Unit. Another name used is Microprocessor, or simply Processor for short)

    Point?
    You should be able to install the Pentium 4 at 3.2GHz, (Model 540J if info is correct), onto the Lenovo motherboard to see if it still works. It won't harm the Lenovo motherboard. If it is bad, it just won't start up.

    They are both LGA 775 processor socket, processors, and the G33 motherboard chipset on the Lenovo motherboard will support that Pentium 4 3.2GHz processor.

    Better see if the Processor is 'smoked', before going further.



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Your computer is overheating.
When the procesor reaches certain temperature, it shuts down by itself as a self protection.mechanism.
You must replace the heat release compound with a fresh one, and also clean the heatsink from lint.
That will do.

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