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I am installing a ceiling fan to replace a ceiling light. The wiring up there is old. Three red are twisted together and live. two black are twisted together and not live. One futher black is by itself and live. Turning on/off the wall light switch does not change what is live. The fan expects live / neutral / earth. How should I wire this please.

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  • A Miller Jun 04, 2010

    Consider the light you removed ... it was a simple on and off? Make the same connection with your new light/fan. There should be a white there somewhere. It worked before and you have not really changed the switch nor the way the wires were connected. If you connect the fan like you disconnected the light, it should work. Or was the light operated by a pull string??? Now that I havd said all that ... we are talking about 110 VAC - right??? The presence of a red would indicate a a out of the ordinary situation ... extra circuit or switch leg or three way switch.

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You should hire an electrician.

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