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Gateway 420gr bios config for a pci express card

I installed the pci express card and it works a few times one day it does one day it don't i go into bios and set it up to auto detect it detects it when i restart the computer it then goes to the motherboards gpu card config any help will do im trying to install a ati x850 xt pci express with 256 ram

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  • lamajciredor Jun 04, 2010

    have your installed the pci express driver?

  • Light Yagami
    Light Yagami Jun 04, 2010

    to be honest, user reviews about this pc are 60% negative. its not even selling anymore because of the problems it has. but look at the bios settings for an option called "plug and play OS" if this is not enabled, the bios will configure your ati card, which could be causeing the issues. enable plug and play, and windows will configure the card. gateway sucks period. especially this model. if the plug and play option doesnt work, there should also be an option in advanced settings that allows you to choose which boots up first. itll look like PCI/VGA option to switch it to VGA/PCI or onboard to vga or pci. it also sounds like it could be the bios battery not supplying enough power to keep the bios settings. when this happens, do you have to reset the time and date?

  • joecoolvette
    joecoolvette Jun 04, 2010

    I would like to know the procedure you used, to install the graphics card the first time.

  • ricanraymo Jun 07, 2010

    This is my BIOS setup:

    MAIN: Bios EV91510A.15A.0067
    CPU: INTEL PENTIUM 4
    PROCESSOR SPEED : 2.93GHZ
    SYSTEM BUS SPEED: 533MHZ
    SYSTEM MEM SPEED: 400MHZ
    L2 CACHE RAM: 1MB
    TOTAL MEM: 512MB

    ADVANCED SETTING:

    - PCI CONFIG: PCI SLOT 1 IRQ PRIORITY [AUTO]
    (3,5,9,10,11) I HAVE IT SET ON [AUTO]

    PCI SLOT 2 IRQ PRIORITY: [AUTO]
    (3,5,9,10,11) I HAVE IT SET ON [AUTO]

    - BOOT CONFIG: PLUG&PLAY ENABLED

    - MAX CPUID VALUE LIMIT: SET ON [DISABLED](/ENABLED).

    - PERIPHERAL CONFIG: SERIAL PORT A [AUTO](/ENABLED/DISABLED).
    PARALLEL PORT: SET ON [AUTO](/ENABLED/DISABLED).
    MODE SET ON [ECP](/EPP,BI-DIRECTIONAL,OUTPUT ONLY).

    - VIDEO CONFIG: SET ON PCIE GRAPHICS[PEG].(/EXT PCI GRAPHICS/AUTO).

    FRAME BUFFER SIZE: SET ON [32MB].
    IGD APERATURE SIZE: [256MB]
    DVMT MODE [DVMT](/ENABLED,FIXED,BOTH).
    IGD DVMT/FIXED MEM: SET ON [128MB](/32MB.64MB,MAX DVMT).

    - PCI EXPRESS CONFIG: THIS SECTION IS IN GRAY SET TO NONE I CAN'T CHANGE ANYTHING IN THIS SECTION THERE ARE NO OPTIONS TO CHOOSE FROM.

    - POWER:
    ACPI
    AFTER POWER FAILURE: [POWER ON].
    WAKE ON PCI: [POWER ON].

    [ ]= ENABLED.
    ( )= OPTIONS.

    I HAVE SET UP A FEW OPTIONS. THERE ARE TIMES THAT MY ATI X850XT 256MB GPU CARD WORKS. I HAVE RECENTLY REBOOTED MY MACHINE THAT I GOT AS A GIFT. NOW MY CARD DON'T WANT TO LOAD I HAVE INSTALLED THE ATI DRIVERS AND EVERYTHING IT NEEDS TO RUN IT HAS RUN A FEW TIMES AFTER REBOOTING THIS MACHINE A FEW TIMES IN A ROW.
    PCI EXPRESS DRIVERS FOR THE MOTHERBOARD? IS THIS WHAT YOUR ASKING ME IF I HAVE INSTALLED THEM I DON'T RECALL AND WOULD NOT KNOW WHERE TO FIND THIS DRIVER.

    I WAS THINKING THIS MACHINE MIGHT NEED A BIOS UPDATE BUT THE ONE GATEWAY HAS IS NOT COMPATIABLE.

    CAN SOMEONE HELP ME: FRIDAY NIGHT'S IS BEER NIGHT WITH COUNTER STRIKE SOURCE A GAME I LOVE AND I CANT PLAY IT ON THE MAIN GPU THAT IS ONLY 64MB RAM IT ONLY RUNS ON MY PCI EXPRESS SLOT THAT IS.

    PCI EXPRESS 1X16
    MY POWER SUPPLY HAS A PLUG TO USE FOR MY CARD AND ITS PLUGED IN... ANYONE ANY IDEA ON WHAT I MAY HAVE DONE WRONG OR WHAT CONFIG I MISSED OR DIDN'T CONFIG CORRECTLY...????????? HELP!! :)

  • ricanraymo Jun 07, 2010

    NO I NEVER HAVE TO RESET THE TIME OR DATE EVER PLUG AND PLAY IS ENABLED. YES I KNOW GATEWAY IS BAD BUT HEY A GIFT IS A GIFT AND MY LAPTOP WENT BACK TO HP CAUSE OF GPU ISSUES SO ITS BACK BUT I LOVE HOW THE 256MB ATI CARD LETS ME PLAY COUNTER STRIKE SOURCE ON HIGH SETTINGS ITS LOOKS GREAT.. I HAVE POSTED MY BIOS CONFIG SO IF U LIKE TAKE A LOOK MAYBE U GUYS CAN HELP ME OUT THANKS IN ADVANCE

  • ricanraymo Jun 07, 2010

    LOOK AT THE BIOS CONFIG I POSTED AND PCI EXPRESS DRIVER IM NOT SURE WHERE TO FIND IT..

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WHAT? Friday is beer, and CS:S night??

!O_O!

Well why didn't you say that BEFORE?
We gotta get this thing Fixed!

(I'm just kidding around a little, don't be hatin'. By the way, my GATEWAY 7200X is 6 years old, and still kickin' booty, with an ATI Radeon X600XT graphics card.
No, Adobe Photoshop, not gamin')

From your diagnosis so far it sounds like you have a driver conflict.

Crude example:
When you install a hardware device, Windows breaks it's neck to find compatible drivers.

If, THE, drivers are not there Windows will search through it's thousands of generic drivers, and choose one.

You come along, and install THE drivers the graphics card needs.
Now you will have a driver conflict.

Windows: "Which drivers do I use? These or THESE?"

1) I would like you to unplug your computer from power. (Computer off of course)
Observe anti-static precautions.

[Anti-Static Precautions:
Your body carries Static electricity.
Static WILL fry out the delicate hardware components of a computer.
You may not even see it, or feel it.
Your computer will. POOF!

Working on a table, computer unplugged from power, computer case open. Touch the metal frame of the open computer case to relieve your body of Static.

(Or wear an ESD wrist strap, and connect the alligator clip to the metal frame of the open computer case. They're about $6)

If you get up in the middle of working on your computer, and leave, upon your return Touch the metal frame again.

2) Remove the ATI graphics card.

3) Plug your monitor back into the integrated graphics port. (VGA port on motherboard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA_connector

4) Push the Power On button in, and hold it in. Hold it in for a count of Five seconds. (Count 1001, 1002, 1003, 1004, 1005)
Let go of the Power On button.

Do this procedure two more times.

What you are doing is setting BIOS back to the factory default settings, and clearing CMOS Error Codes.

5) Plug the computer back into power. WAIT 1 minute.
Turn the computer on.

Left-click on Start, Control Panel, then on Add/Remove Programs.
Remove anything you see associated with ATI in it.

If upon removing the ATI software, you are asked if you want to restart your computer, NO.
Close all windows, go back to your desktop screen.

Pull out the CD disk, that came with the Radeon X800XT graphics card.
Put it in your optical drive, and install the software from that disk.
It contains the Drivers.

A Driver is a small piece of software that allows 'communication' between a device, (Such as a graphics card), and the computer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_driver

If you are asked to restart your computer, NO.
Shut your computer down normally.
(Start>Turn Off Computer>Turn Off)

Unplug your computer from power. Observe anti-static precautions.
Reinstall the ATI graphics card.
Plug your monitor into the graphics card.

Now, before we go further let's discuss the additional power cable you are plugging into the X800XT.

I wasn't aware that the old X800XT's needed an additional power cable.
I read the ATI Radeon X800 PCI Express Series User's Guide, and it seems it does use one,

http://support.amd.com/us/psearch/Pages/psearch.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.17&contentType=Tech+Doc+GPU&ostype=Windows+XP+-+Professional%2fHome&keywords=&items=20

[Radeon X800 PCI Express Series User's Guide - 729.51 KB (pdf) -12/31/2003]

What I want to know is what kind of power cable is it? The 300 Watt power supply in the Gateway 420GR, doesn't have any specialized power cables, other than a 4-pin ATX +12 Volt power cable, and SATA power cable.

A specialized power cable for a graphics card would be a 6-pin PCI Express power cable, or an 8-pin PCI Express power cable.

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Posted on Jun 08, 2010

  • joecoolvette
    joecoolvette Jun 08, 2010

    A) 6-pin PCI Express power cable, and it's corresponding connector,

    http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnect...

    B) 8-pin PCI Express power cable, and it's corresponding connector,

    http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnect...

    Looking back at the 6-pin PCI Express power cable, note that the adapter cable shown in the photo on the right, has two cables going to the 6-pin PCI Express connector.

    This is to use two 4-pin Peripheral power cables.

    http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnect...

    Same thing for an adapter cable that is 8-pin PCI Express.

    TWO 4-pin Peripheral power cables need to be used.

    ONE, will not cut the mustard.

    Using one what will happen?

    After time goes by, the contacts in the bottom of the PCI Express x16 slot on the motherboard, will burn.

    The contacts on the graphics card for the additional power cable, will burn.

    The contacts in the additional power cable connector, will burn.

    Result will be a burned PCI Express x16 slot on the motherboard, rendering it useless, also the graphics card will be useless, and the additional power cable.

    Additionally, the 300 Watt power supply in the Gateway 400GR,

    http://support.gateway.com/s/PC/R/4053/4...

    (Click on - Components, then scroll down to the heading - Power Supplies, and underneath it click on - 102015 - 300 - Watt Power Supply),

    was manufactured when PSU manufacturers were lying, about the actual maximum rated Wattage. (Excuse me. Fudging)

    The actual maximum rated Wattage, is more like 70 percent of what is stated.
    210 Watts.




  • joecoolvette
    joecoolvette Jun 08, 2010

    Not enough for an Intel Pentium 4 (Model 515, 515J, 516, or 517) 2.93GHz processor, that can use 84 Watts all by itself, when operating at maximum capability.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Int...

    And add on the power needed for the,
    Motherboard, Ram Memory, Optical drive/s, computer case fan/s, Processor fan, and the X800XT graphics card

    How much power does the X800 need?

    Power Supply Calculator,

    http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine


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Try changing another setting in the BIOS when you change to autodetect. If that setting changes also, consider replacing the CMOS battery.
Also, check your PSU rating against the GPU's requirements. The card may not be drawing enough power to start and the MB defaults to the video that is running. You may need to replace the PSU with a higher wattage (and better quality), especially if it's the original power supply unit that came with the PC. What you will need will depend on the card and everything in the case. Google PSU calculator to see what you need.

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...........................................!O_O!...........................................................

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