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I have a generator that does not produce any volts. I replaced the brush block because it was bad with no help. I took resistance readings of the rotor and stator. Are these in spec?? briggs and stratton model 09719-3 with a generac 5000 watt generator rotor 26.2 ohms stator red/blue .4ohms stator blue/gray .7 ohms stator gray/red .5 ohms

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  • rdggorno65 Jun 12, 2010

    Thanks for the comment. The circuit board has all the diodes and cap on one board which is attached to the brush block. I replaced that with no help. Not sure where to go from here.

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As long as you have continuity through the stator and rotor windings, and no continuity from the windings to the core, you should be good.

If the brush block was replaced due to it being defective, take a look at the diode and capacitor regulator as well. Using a multimeter, the diode should indicate continuity in one direction, infinite resistance in the other. If you get this, then replace the capacitor. If not, then replace the diode, and likely the capacitor as well.

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  • Sheldon Dedek Jun 12, 2010

    Missing something here. How did the generator fail originally?

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