Magnia SG20

I am presently using a Linksys WRT45G and it doesn't seem to have a simple
option to make it pass through as the Microsoft MN500 does. Right now I have
the SG20 slaved off the WRT but I will eventually transpose them.
If you are using more than one WAP, remember - there are only 3 non
overlapping channels (1,6,11?)
BTW watch those cordless phones. They can create havoc with wireless.
Terry

http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/su/su_sc_docTOC.jsp?moid=119520&rpn=&ct=UG&soid=237921&BV_SessionID=@@@@0825999203.1199318367@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccgaddmlmmkedecgfkceghdgngdgnn.0


This link is for the Manual. To reset just hold the "Reset" switch down in the back with a tool in the hole and turn the system on.

Thanks for the info. The WRT45G apparently has 4 LAN ports plus 1 WAN port,
as far as I can tell, from the little I just looked up. You might try
connecting your "source", such as the SG20, to one of the LAN ports
(straight through cable) but first turn off the DHCP. If it is or behaves as
a typical 10/100 4 port switch you wouldn't have a WAN on a switch anyway.
With the DHCP turned off, ignore the WAN port and simply plug your SG20 or
other router into one of the LAN ports, I suspect you'll get pass through so
that anything else you plug in or anything the wireless side talks to will
get it's DHCP assignment via pass through from the source router, gateway,
SG20 or whatever DHCP host is ahead of the WRT45G. That, as a matter of
fact, is how I'm using the Belkin. Since these things tend to have a built
in switch, ignoring the WAN port and precluding the DHCP function tends to
achieve a "switch with wireless" capability. An alternate way to look at it
is as a wireless access point with a couple extra (3) wired ports. You might
try that.

I'm surprised someone doesn't already have a cordless 2.4 mhz phone that can
get your email or maybe even browse the web via your AP. (Maybe it's out
there and I just haven't seen it. With some of the cell phones like mine,
you can already send/receive email so getting a wireless (cordless) phone
with an lcd panel (or maybe a PDA with regular phone capability) to do
internet access must be just another wrinkle on the cell phone technique and
only needs a willing manufacturer. Internet phone capability via your AP
wouldn't be beyond plausibility either. Maybe something like a two line
cordless phone - one "line" is the landline and the "second" line provides
internet phone via your AP. I saw a neat gadget recently that permits your
(Nokia only) cell phone to be plugged in and then you can use a normal wired
or wireless phone in your house to access the cell phone. There was a
prohibition against having a hot "wired" line connected to it. But it could
give one the ability to use any (2 line?) phone in the house to make/receive
calls on either a regular land line or the cell phone. I've got a Motorola
and haven't seen such a device for it. That's aside from the issue of 2.4
ghz interference, but someone is certain to soon turn that potential
interference issue into a marketable product instead.

Chuck

| I am presently using a Linksys WRT45G and it doesn't seem to have a simple
| option to make it pass through as the Microsoft MN500 does. Right now I
have
| the SG20 slaved off the WRT but I will eventually transpose them.
| If you are using more than one WAP, remember - there are only 3 non
| overlapping channels (1,6,11?)
| BTW watch those cordless phones. They can create havoc with wireless.
| Terry
|
| "Charles Galbach" <galba @XYZpgh.net> wrote in message
| | > That may be neces

I see your point. I was actually going to try this with an MN500 and recall
that once set to pass through, you have to do a hard reset before you can
use it as a router again.
Terry

That may be necessary with your NM500 - I'm not familiar with it at all. But
with the Belkin, though a hard reset would cause it to revert to factory
settings (router), you don't actually have to do that. If you disconnect it
from the SG20 (or other "source") and plug an ethernet wired computer to it,
you can use the browser to access the IP address (192.168.2.1 or whatever
you might have re-set it to), type in the password and you're ready to do
anything on the menu's. In my case, that would probably only be to change
the channel, SSID or encryption, but you could, at that point, enable the
DHCP and get it functioning as a router again. I would think that if you
want it back as a router, a hard re-set would probably be easier and more
certain of getting the original functions back intact.

I hadn't realized it before, but with the availability of cheap routers that
can be changed to access points for less cost than access points themselves,
you could turn any IP network into a single or multi-point wireless network
very easily. Anywhere you've got a remote hard-wired ethernet connection to
a computer, you could install an access point (or the now cheaper routers
converted to access points) in place of the computer, plug the computer into
the router/AP with a patch cable and now you've got wireless access in the
area where maybe only one wire was previously available. This could save
lots of money when you need more computers or other devices in some area
currently served by only one wire. By simply putting an access point at the
end of that existing ethernet wire and not having to run any more wiring out
to that area, you can increase the number of devices in that area at a
pretty low cost. Of course with 11 mb/s, you don't want too much stuff
ganging up on that AP. But there's no reason you can't put more than one out
there, daisy chained together with short wires and running different
channels. They simply "pass through" at 11 mb/s to the probably 100 mb/s
wiring you've got in place.

Chuck

| I see your point. I was actually going to try this with an MN500 and
recall
| that once set to pass through, you have to do a hard reset before you can
| use it as a router again.
| Terry
|
| "Charles Galbach" <galba @XYZpgh.net> wrote in message
| | > "tc" <terrycass @msn.com> wrote in message
| > | > | I think you should disable DHCP on the wireless access point and allow
| the
| > | SG20 to provide ip addresses to your wireless devices. If it is a true
| WAP
| > | and not a router this would not be an issue. You might have to disable
| NAT
| > | as well but I am unclear on that. The ip address for the WAP would be
| > | assigned by the SG20 and should be reachable by other computers
plugged
| > into
| > | the SG20.
| > | Terry
| >
| > That was part of the "setup" of the router - disabling DHCP - so i

| I think you should disable DHCP on the wireless access point and allow the
| SG20 to provide ip addresses to your wireless devices. If it is a true WAP
| and not a router this would not be an issue. You might have to disable NAT
| as well but I am unclear on that. The ip address for the WAP would be
| assigned by the SG20 and should be reachable by other computers plugged
into
| the SG20.
| Terry

That was part of the "setup" of the router - disabling DHCP - so it could
function as simply an access point. In the case of this particular router,
functioning as a WAP, the SG20 doesn't really "see" it. To the SG20, it is
simply a hub or switch and not really seen by the SG20. Because of this,
though I did disable NAT, I didn't really have to do it. But you certainly
have to disable DHCP or anything connecting through the WAP will be assigned
an address that falls outside the SG20 DHCP range - and you wouldn't want to
have two DHCP hosts on the same subnet. That's partly why I had some trouble
setting it up at first. I was expecting it to behave as a DHCP client, or at
least a client within my local subnet - and it wouldn't behave as such. Any
wireless device talks "through" the Belkin router directly to the SG20.
That's what I needed the Belkin tech support for. The manual was wrong about
how to get the router to behave as an AP. The tech support guy said the
manual was being updated. I would hope so. They aren't making any money off
of me after my getting the router for next to nothing and then having to
call their tech support.

Although this router can be a DHCP host, it apparently cannot be a DHCP
client, even when operating in AP mode. That is a potential "issue" with
such a device, though for less than a $15 outlay and for a one-time setup
"effort", having to "unplug" the connection to the SG20 to gain access to
the router isn't that big an issue to me. It's already working okay, giving
me file/print sharing and internet access, and I need do nothing with it for
a while. I happen to live in a rural area and haven't bothered with
encryption - there's no one within "range" to be concerned about and it
isn't a likely area for someone to drive around with a sniffer. If I should
ever move to "town" or any more populated area, I will have to access the
router one more time to turn on the encryption. Otherwise, it needs no
foreseeable attention.

One other thing I should mention. This router worked "as a router" perfectly
right out of the box. As soon as I plugged it in, it gave me wireless
access - through the SG20 - right out to the internet. However, local access
was/is not possible in this case. No setup was really required at all to use
it for it's main intended purpose, even though they run you through a little
"drill" with a CD that apparently just makes sure your client is set up to
accept DHCP IP assignment. If yo

I think you should disable DHCP on the wireless access point and allow the
SG20 to provide ip addresses to your wireless devices. If it is a true WAP
and not a router this would not be an issue. You might have to disable NAT
as well but I am unclear on that. The ip address for the WAP would be
assigned by the SG20 and should be reachable by other computers plugged into
the SG20.
Terry

Hey Charles,

Sounds like you are making some good headway on the Magnia.  There is a
Yahoo group with lots of users and information.  I have not played with
the printer port, but I should get that working and also the modem for
reliable faxing.  I never know from one minute to the next which
windows machine will be crashing or rebooting.

I have gotten to depend on it so much, I am looking for another server
now for redundency.  One with a little more flexiblilty, like rack
mounted.  For the price however the Magnia is tops.

Best of luck,
Don

"Charles Galbach" <galba @XYZpgh.net> wrote in



<***  snip  ***>>

| Check at Toshiba support pages.  I believe there was an upgrade for
| Orinoco a while back.  You can ftp into /home/ftp/incoming.  It allows
| anonymous logins as shipped.
|
| Why use the PCMCIA card?  I just plugged in an ethernet WLAN.  I feel
| more secure with an antenna sticking up there I guess and I didn't have
| to set or load anything. :-p
|
| All the "good" set up config templates for users, firewalls, passwords,
| etc. are in /sa2 directory.  "ALL" settings are regenerated,
| apparently, when you access the Magnia through the web interface.  So
| if you tweak things, they will go back to the settings of the web
| interface when or if you use it.  Try accessing with Mozilla. :-)  I
| have already yelled at them about the Active-X crap.
|
| So if you want to modify things and have them stick, either play with
| or disable the web scripts and/or templates, or don't use the web
| interface.
|
| I have not tried using the printer port yet.
|
| Don
|
| "Charles Galbach" <galba @XYZpgh.net> wrote in
|
|
| <<***  snip  ***>>
|
| > Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I've got a question
| > regarding the SG20. I picked one up recently from Tiger Direct and
| > would like to know if anyone has had any success installing any
| > other wireless card besides the overpriced one from Toshiba. (I'm
| > not even sure they still carry it - the "on hand" seems to
| > indicate zero. I've not had any success getting past the first
| > level tech support screening - I gave up after varying times on
| > hold. Specifically, I'd like to know if the Orinoco Gold Classic
| > card can be installed. That card supposedly does work with "old"
| > drivers from the Orinoco Gold (8484415560) in some laptops, but
| > I'd rather not buy one and have to send it back if it doesn't
| > work. The alternative question is, has anyone successfully
| > installed a new wireless card driver in the SG20. If so, how did
| > you do it? Since the SG20 is running Red Hat 7.3, I would imagine
| > there are drivers available for "many" wireless cards - but, one
| > never knows if the hardware requires a proprietary set of
| > firmware.
| >
| > I've been able to telnet into the SG20 okay as root (SU). I would
| > guess that the FTP directory would be a reasonable place to
| > pre-position any driver or other "unauthorized" mods from a
| > networked computer that needed installed, but I'm not certain. I
| > haven't been able to ftp into the SG20, even though I was able to
| > "roam" around as SU. So if you can't FTP into it explicitly, there
| > is the access to the FTP directory from the intra-network. I'm an
| > old IS retiree and haven't fooled too much with Linux for a while
| > - first time was about 1993-4 (version 0.9b I think) when there
| > was no gui, so though I'm rusty, I'm not afraid of a command line
| > in

| A reply to Don
|
| I got a very plesant surprise when I tried the LPT port. I have an old
| HP820Cse (which is a windows only printer). I hooked it up and it
| works perfectly!
| Steve

What you observed is, I'm pretty certain, the case for "pass through"
printing. The SG20 does not alter the print data stream so that virtually
any printer should probably work as long as the "source" is a networked
computer with the appropriate driver. However, I tried to print from within
the shell and discovered that the internal lpr seems to "want" to generate
postscript output. Since I'm rusty as can be at the command language, or
anything else, I wasn't sure how to change the internal print driver nor how
to install and/or "complile" the Linux print driver if it wasn't already in
there. I've been able to successfully FTP (to the public FTP directory as
anonymous, with no "rights" of course) and to Telnet into the SG20 as root
(SU), so I'm theoretically in a position to do almost "anything" in RH 7
that can be done without the GUI (both constructive and "destructive", of
course). However, the real impediment is the lack of currency (and
completeness) to my knowledge.

A very long time ago I did some assembly language programming (on various 8,
16 and 32 bit computers) and a good bit of cobol programming as well as some
"diddling" with an assortment of other languages, operating systems and
constructs (DB2, basic, fortran, and others). I also installed a "pre" gui
version of Linux a few times and played around with it some. Actually, I did
get X-windows more or less running on an old Intel 386/20 box with a triple
boot (DOS/WIN 3.11, Netware and Linux). I did not do any C or C++
programming but was somewhat familiar with some of the syntax and logic
differences (compared to what I was used to), and then I've been retired for
quite a while. So I probably shouldn't even be inside the SG20. But I'm a
compulsive neb-nose about technology and would like to gain at least a bit
more "mastery" over this box.

So far, the SG20 is doing "some" of what I wanted. It has freed my networked
computers of having to have one of them act as a gateway; it has freed my
"main" networked printer usage from being dependent on any one computer
being up and running; and it has provided the (non-MS) firewall that I
wanted. The only "failure" in the security tests on my SG20 firewall so far
seems to be that it does respond to (answer) pings. I'd like to stop that
but don't know how. And I haven't been able to do any "wireless" activities
with my laptop nor muck around inside the box very much. I've got an old
Novell server (486 with hot swappable SCSI drives) here that I'll probably
convert to a "slow" RH 7.2 box and try to copy as much of the SG20 to it as
possible, if I can figure out how to copy the files to an external
destination. Then I can "play" w

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:37:56 GMT, "Charles Galbach"

For info on using an old computer for a gateway do a google search for
"mesh box".There are some free DL's you may want to check out.
Steve

This might prove to be of interest to you Sg20 folks out there:
ftp://ftp.toshibapc.com/Mike

A reply to Don

I got a very plesant surprise when I tried the LPT port. I have an old
HP820Cse (which is a windows only printer). I hooked it up and it
works perfectly!
Steve

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 19:02:53 GMT, Don Shank <cadds @qwest.net>
wrote:

generic <gene @isoc.net> wrote in



Hey Gene,

Yes, I am impressed with it so far, might buy a couple more.

Don't know how much you know.  Default address is 192.168.1.1, default
domain is myserver.loc and administration is accessed on port 8282.  
Factory users are applianceadmin and telnetuser.  Factory password for each
is toshiba.  This is the key password, for SU also I found out.  Toshiba
people did mention that there is a way to reset it.  I don't need to, so I
did not ask.  Also built in pages do not work with new Netscape, use <4.8
or IE. (probably active-X crap)

Don't know if this helps at all.  Without that password, I'm not sure what
can be done.  If it is of any interest or help, I might be able to copy the
manual to my ftp directory for access.  Any specific questions?

Don

Don;



I appreciate your reply. I've been searching the net for day's.
Unfortunately, I havent had the thing very long and the manual consisted
of a folded page and setup disk. There are no diagnostics of any kind on
it nor any way I can find to access it. I have managed to change the ip
on my router so that it wouldnt conflict w/magnia sg20. I changed the
router to x.x.1.3 because the setup prog attempts to access it using
only x.x.1.1 and this is also the default ip for the router.
By doing this I was then able to access the 'intranet' that exist's on
the magnia.  I think I've reset the administrator password to default by
holding the reset button for several seconds instead of just a touch.
But I dont think I reset anything else.  I dont know (dont think) telnet
is enabled, or if it is I wouldnt know how to access it. I have no idea
how to access it through telnet.  Mind giving me a blow by blow account
:). Sure would appreciate it.

  Has one 20 gb drive/no backups have been done but I have nothing on it
I cant replace anyway so factory defaults would be heavenly.

Gene

| generic <gene @isoc.net> wrote in
|
|
| > By the way;
| >
| > Don Shank wrote:
| >
| >> Don Shank <cadds @qwest.net> wrote in
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>>Gene <a @yahoo.net> wrote in
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>>Can anyone tell me how to reset factory defaults.
| >>>>No manual. They seem to be inviting subscription support.
| >>>>
| >>>
| >>>Bottom post here right?  :P
| >>>
| >>>Toshiba support has been great for the most part.  Still have to
| >>>start at the bottom and work up 3 or 4 levels in tech support to get
| >>>a reasonable answer however.  One answer they do not have is the SU
| >>>password?  I have tried variations on Serial Number, etc.  Ideas?
| >>>
| >>>Don
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >> I lied.  They did have the answer, I just did not believe them.
| >> Tried it again, and now I am Super User.  log on telnetuser with
| >> adminstration Password,then SU with adminstration Password.
| >
| > I really like these things and they can be had now for 200 bucks a
| > pop. If I can manage them, or bring them to their knees by 'resetting'
| > them then I'd spring for a couple more of them in a heartbeat.
| >
| > Gene
| >
|
| Hey Gene,
|
| Yes, I am impressed with it so far, might buy a couple more.
|
| Don't know how much you know.  Default address is 192.168.1.1, default
| domain is myserver.loc and administration is accessed on port 8282.
| Factory users are applianceadmin and telnetuser.  Factory password for
each
| is toshiba.  This is the key password, for SU also I found out.  Toshiba
| people did mention that there is a way to reset it.  I don't need to, so I
| did not ask.  Also built in pages do not work with new Netscape, use <4.8
| or IE. (probably active-X crap)
|
| Don't know if this helps at all.  Without that password, I'm not sure what
| can be done.  If it is of any interest or help, I might be able to copy
the
| manual to my ftp directory for access.  Any specific questions?
|
| Don

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I've got a question regarding the
SG20. I picked one up recently from Tiger Direct and would like to know if
anyone has had any success installing any other wireless card besides the
overpriced one from Toshiba. (I'm not even sure they still carry it - the
"on hand" seems to indicate zero. I've not had any success getting past the
first level tech support screening - I gave up after varying times on hold.
Specifically, I'd like to know if the Orinoco Gold Classic card can be
installed. That card supposedly does work with "old" drivers from the
Orinoco Gold (8484415560) in some laptops, but I'd rather not buy one and
have to send it back if it doesn't work. The alternative question is, has
anyone successfully installed a new wireless card driver in the SG20. If so,
how did you do it? Since the SG20 is running Red Hat 7.3, I wo

Check at Toshiba support pages.  I believe there was an upgrade for
Orinoco a while back.  You can ftp into /home/ftp/incoming.  It allows
anonymous logins as shipped.

Why use the PCMCIA card?  I just plugged in an ethernet WLAN.  I feel
more secure with an antenna sticking up there I guess and I didn't have
to set or load anything. :-p

All the "good" set up config templates for users, firewalls, passwords,
etc. are in /sa2 directory.  "ALL" settings are regenerated,
apparently, when you access the Magnia through the web interface.  So
if you tweak things, they will go back to the settings of the web
interface when or if you use it.  Try accessing with Mozilla. :-)  I
have already yelled at them about the Active-X crap.

So if you want to modify things and have them stick, either play with
or disable the web scripts and/or templates, or don't use the web
interface.

I have not tried using the printer port yet.

Don

"Charles Galbach" <galba @XYZpgh.net> wrote in

<<***  snip  ***>>

By the way;



I really like these things and they can be had now for 200 bucks a pop.
If I can manage them, or bring them to their knees by 'resetting' them
then I'd spring for a couple more of them in a heartbeat.

Gene

Don Shank <cadds @qwest.net> wrote in

I lied.  They did have the answer, I just did not believe them.  Tried it
again, and now I am Super User.  log on telnetuser with adminstration
Password,then SU with adminstration Password.

Gene <a @yahoo.net> wrote in

Bottom post here right?  :P

Toshiba support has been great for the most part.  Still have to start at
the bottom and work up 3 or 4 levels in tech support to get a reasonable
answer however.  One answer they do not have is the SU password?  I have
tried variations on Serial Number, etc.  Ideas?

Don